Diablo Creator on Diablo III [Aug 19, 2012, 2:37 pm ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
An interview on IncGamers talks with David Brevik of Gazillion Entertainment about Diablo III, getting the co-founder of Blizzard North's impressions of the latest version of the series he helped originate. He offers a perspective on how the game was impacted by the loss of the company's action/RPG knowledgebase with the closure of Blizzard North and how the third game in the series more reflects the tastes and experiences of Blizzard South, and verges on schadenfreude in describing part of his mixed feelings about how it ultimately turned out: "I am also a little happy, which I hate to say, it shows that the people that were involved in Diablo really did matter, and so I am happy that it has come to light that how talented that group was and how unique and special that group was. I am hoping that, as this happens very often in the industry, you see it with Call of Duty and things like that, when the people leave the game changes and it shows how critical people are in this industry."
For all who still say Hellgate is crap : now after you played D3 go play HG for a bit (preferably if you still have a high level char) and then tell me which one you like more
And truth be told, regardless of how horrid H:L was at least they were trying something different that ultimately failed.
D3 isn't something different, it isn't even something equal to what we had, in fact is less than what we had before.
D3 isn't something different, it isn't even something equal to what we had, in fact is less than what we had before.
You know, everyone rags on Hellgate: London but...
I played it longer than I played Diablo 3. It was a mess to be sure, but I got marginally more gameplay out of it than D3.
Hell, I got more gameplay out of the ATROCIOUS Too Human than I got out of Diablo 3.
I played it longer than I played Diablo 3. It was a mess to be sure, but I got marginally more gameplay out of it than D3.
Hell, I got more gameplay out of the ATROCIOUS Too Human than I got out of Diablo 3.
InBlack wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 09:28:
Some disturbing news about 1.04. It looks like Legendaries will be Bind on Equip, I hope thats fake news as I wont be playing anymore if they implement that shit.
That would not surprise me at all. Blizzard is right there with the "fun is a premium" crowd.
BTW Incgamer site is back up, and both the article and the the rage from the D3 developers are there.
Some disturbing news about 1.04. It looks like Legendaries will be Bind on Equip, I hope thats fake news as I wont be playing anymore if they implement that shit.
Some disturbing news about 1.04. It looks like Legendaries will be Bind on Equip, I hope thats fake news as I wont be playing anymore if they implement that shit.
I have a nifty blue line!
durandal wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 03:59:
...and here's the responses from Diablo 3 devs to David.
http://imgur.com/wfySr
"Fuck that loser" comment is from the Game Director.
Oh and Senior Technical Artist Harrington would like to *LIKE* that comment more than once...
Good thing they don't sound too butthurt and bitter about their own failures. He was responsible for Hellgate: London and criticized us!! At least he was trying something new and interesting instead of failing to replicate a dog simple franchise with a mountain of resources and unlimited time.
AnointedSword wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 05:08:
Ya and with all their releases after they left Blizzard, it also showed that they needed Blizzard as well. Hellgate: London? Torchlight was the closest thing to cool that they could come up with and even then it was not a class a title.
I dont understand how they needed Blizzard for Hellgate London when they had EA's money?? No they fucked up Hellgate London all by themselves, even the best ARPGs fail hard when they are packaged into an MMO formula.
I have a nifty blue line!
RaZ0r! wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 19:03:RailWizard wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 15:58:
So many IP zombies walking around these days...it's fucking disgusting.
What an awesome way to put it. IP zombies. Like Metal of Honor, Call of Duty, Dungeon Siege, Flashpoint, etc. Sad.
Thanks.
It really says it tho. It's just like music. You take a band, then replace all the members. It's no longer the same band. Consequences will never be the same!
InBlack wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 04:30:Beelzebud wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 21:42:
It really does get tiring having to repeat the story line again and again. The team that built D3 really didn't seem to "get" Diablo. No one ever cared about the story all that much, and it wasn't constantly in your way. It was just window dressing for the action.
I disagree. The story of D1, D2 and D2:LOD mattered very much. It was just much more subtly told, together with the brilliant cutscenes it allowed the player to sort of "connect the dots". Who is Tyrael? Is he even a force of good? What is the origin of the Sin War? Pentagrams!
Diablo3's story line can be summarised in one quote, courtesy of Butcher pre 1.03:Vegetables Bad, Meat Good...
D3 in 3 minutes. Curse your butterfly magic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJ_XT3oWtY
AnointedSword wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 05:08:HGL suffered from lack of proper project management, a severe misunderstanding of a way of programming called SCRUM. Flagship suffered from too much money EA and other investors had thrown at them.
Ya and with all their releases after they left Blizzard, it also showed that they needed Blizzard as well. Hellgate: London?
Torchlight was the closest thing to cool that they could come up with and even then it was not a class a title.Torchlight was a perfect example of how much a game can gain when you have only a very limited budget. You have to focus on core features and make them work as perfect as possible.
Ya and with all their releases after they left Blizzard, it also showed that they needed Blizzard as well. Hellgate: London? Torchlight was the closest thing to cool that they could come up with and even then it was not a class a title.
InBlack wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 04:38:durandal wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 03:59:
...and here's the responses from Diablo 3 devs to David.
http://imgur.com/wfySr
"Fuck that loser" comment is from the Game Director.
Oh and Senior Technical Artist Harrington would like to *LIKE* that comment more than once...
I cant read the interview as incgamers is down at the moment but that comment from Jay is uncalled for, its also very honest as it shows how arrogant that asshat really is and how greatly he cares about the legacy of the series.
Basically the article said that Blizzard lost a lot of ARPG experience and knowledge when it canned Blizzard North, and that the Irvine/Blizzard South people had different priorities and ideas of what would make D3 fun and that came through in all the bitching and complaining hardcore series fans are going on about.
He also said D3 was very different than what the original plan for D3 was, and that he feels sad that people are frustrated and that Blizzard is on the slow boat to "we can't hear you!" ville, hurt a little that they didn't care much about what made the first two Diablo games so much fun, and just a little vindicated that players seem to be backing his idea of what made ARPGs fun.
So yeah, the reactions are a little over the top and I would say very much so uncalled for.
durandal wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 03:59:
...and here's the responses from Diablo 3 devs to David.
http://imgur.com/wfySr
"Fuck that loser" comment is from the Game Director.
Oh and Senior Technical Artist Harrington would like to *LIKE* that comment more than once...
I cant read the interview as incgamers is down at the moment but that comment from Jay is uncalled for, its also very honest as it shows how arrogant that asshat really is and how greatly he cares about the legacy of the series.
I have a nifty blue line!
Beelzebud wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 21:42:
It really does get tiring having to repeat the story line again and again. The team that built D3 really didn't seem to "get" Diablo. No one ever cared about the story all that much, and it wasn't constantly in your way. It was just window dressing for the action.
I disagree. The story of D1, D2 and D2:LOD mattered very much. It was just much more subtly told, together with the brilliant cutscenes it allowed the player to sort of "connect the dots". Who is Tyrael? Is he even a force of good? What is the origin of the Sin War? Pentagrams!
Diablo3's story line can be summarised in one quote, courtesy of Butcher pre 1.03:
Vegetables Bad, Meat Good...
I have a nifty blue line!
durandal wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 03:59:
...and here's the responses from Diablo 3 devs to David.
http://imgur.com/wfySr
"Fuck that loser" comment is from the Game Director.
Keep it classy Jay Wilson.
...and here's the responses from Diablo 3 devs to David.
http://imgur.com/wfySr
"Fuck that loser" comment is from the Game Director.
Oh and Senior Technical Artist Harrington would like to *LIKE* that comment more than once...
This comment was edited on Aug 20, 2012, 04:28.
http://imgur.com/wfySr
"Fuck that loser" comment is from the Game Director.
Oh and Senior Technical Artist Harrington would like to *LIKE* that comment more than once...
This comment was edited on Aug 20, 2012, 04:28.
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 20:03:
Man, so you're blaming Roper when he was just one of the "originators" (all of whom come from Blizzard North) yet not the Lead Designer or the Game Visionary.
You guys need to stop associating "public face" with "guy making every single decision." Roper likely did make all the business decisions, but that's not what doomed the game. What doomed the game is that it wasn't fun. Blame the Lead Designer and the "Visionary" for that.
Yeah... I had an interesting conversation with Roper about Hellgate (If you move in the right, rather arcane, circles it's hard not to bump into him). I won't go into it because it was a private conversation, but it was highly illuminating.
However, for people who hate his guts, I do have a picture of him dressed up like a whore though for your amusement.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm275/theflatline42/PoxyWhore.jpg
Diablo 3 is garbage. The only people who aren't willing to admit it are people who loved Diablo 1 and 2, therefore waited forever for Diablo 3, and now simply can't psychologically accept how awful it is, their brains live in denial.
Sepharo wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 20:30:
Does Blizzard have an economist? I assume they do for WoW, what about for D3?
The utilize economists, behavioral psychologists, et al.
Glykon wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 21:55:
I am still playing Hellgate from time to time and D3 I dont. I had much more fun with Hellgate than I had with D3.
Agreed. D3 is an abysmally boring game whose sole purpose seems to be capitalization of irrelevant gear.
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