Creston wrote on Aug 15, 2012, 15:59:

Veterator wrote on Aug 15, 2012, 00:16:
All for full price....because if you do, the guys who made it will do better next time...probably....maybe.

That's how GMC sold cars for close to thirty years...

Creston

Veterator wrote on Aug 15, 2012, 00:16:
All for full price....because if you do, the guys who made it will do better next time...probably....maybe.

jdreyer wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 23:45:

Creston wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 14:02:
Being upfront about something doesn't excuse pisspoor quality. Never has, never will. You can try to be upfront with your boss about why you're not going to do any work this week, and at the end of the week, your ass will still be fired.

I fail to see why some dipshit developer feels that they should somehow be exempt from this rule. 720p is a fucking joke. the PC ran that resolution back in 19fucking96. Now we're supposed to be shouting for joy that 16 years later, we get a game that runs at 720p? Fuck. that.

Creston

Well, the positive thing about their transparency is that it allows we consumers to make an educated (non)purchase. I appreciate that at least, although I've never been interested in this game in the least.

As for the boss-worker analogy it's actually the opposite case where I work. We try to work around people's personal issues when they tell us as to not lose valuable employees. It's when they don't communicate that people get fired.

Voodoo I, released in 1996, was limited to 800x600 resolution and didn't even have SLI. 1024x768 resolution wasn't available until Voodoo 2 was released in 1998, but I get your point.

mag wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 17:00:

ItBurn wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 16:22:

mag wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 16:18:

Creston wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 14:02:
Being upfront about something doesn't excuse pisspoor quality. Never has, never will. You can try to be upfront with your boss about why you're not going to do any work this week, and at the end of the week, your ass will still be fired.
Creston

Uh. If you're up front with your boss and tell him mid-way through the week that you underestimated the time/money you needed to do everything you said you'd do by the end of the week, you should be fired?

God I hate it when people do that to me. That's not what he said. You understand what he meant, don't be an ass.

His analogy was bad and he should feel bad. Though I do understand that he meant, "This game does not sound like it will meet my expectations. I will refrain from purchasing it."

Mordecai Walfish wrote on Aug 15, 2012, 14:46:

Veterator wrote on Aug 15, 2012, 00:16:
So how many people would look at you like you're a lunatic when you tell them they should be buying watches that don't keep time, cars that have major mechanical issues not covered under warranty, a brand new house with a roof that leaks just a little bit, a toothbrush that doesn't clean your teeth and only has a few sharp edges, toothpaste that only makes you want vomit a little, and milk that smells like onions.

How does that even make sense?

Bad analogies galore.. The game should still be fully functional which negates all of these analogies. A watch that is difficult or unsightly to read? A car with a bad paint job, a house with shite wallpaper, a toothbrush with.. wait what?

lol

Veterator wrote on Aug 15, 2012, 00:16:
So how many people would look at you like you're a lunatic when you tell them they should be buying watches that don't keep time, cars that have major mechanical issues not covered under warranty, a brand new house with a roof that leaks just a little bit, a toothbrush that doesn't clean your teeth and only has a few sharp edges, toothpaste that only makes you want vomit a little, and milk that smells like onions.

How does that even make sense?

Jerykk wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 23:38:
Sadly, it is often a lose-lose situation for PC gamers. If we buy the crappy ports, the publishers get the message that it's okay to make crappy ports. If we don't buy the crappy ports, the publishers get the message that there's no PC market for their games. Publishers with lots of experience on the platform are less likely to believe the latter, since they have examples of PC games that sold well. However, given Namco's inexperience with the platform, I wouldn't be surprised if they misconstrued Dark Soul's failure as a lack of interest from PC gamers rather than a lack of quality on Namco's behalf.

Creston wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 14:02:
Being upfront about something doesn't excuse pisspoor quality. Never has, never will. You can try to be upfront with your boss about why you're not going to do any work this week, and at the end of the week, your ass will still be fired.

I fail to see why some dipshit developer feels that they should somehow be exempt from this rule. 720p is a fucking joke. the PC ran that resolution back in 19fucking96. Now we're supposed to be shouting for joy that 16 years later, we get a game that runs at 720p? Fuck. that.

Creston

Icewind wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 19:07:
God, when are people going to get it into their thick skull that buying something you know isn't helping the hobby actually makes things worse since the publisher figures they can get away with it.

If you let them believe we're ok with this, they will continue pushing out shoddy ports. It's like an abused wife that doesn't call the cops on her husband. If you don't put your foot down you'll never see a positive result. The culprit will continue using you because they know you'll allow them to get away with it.

Bhruic wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 18:27:
I don't understand this mentality.

Bhruic wrote on Aug 14, 2012, 18:27:

Don’t think that publishers will see poor sales figures and think “Well, that’s what happens when we don’t optimise our games for PC! Maybe we’ll optimise next time.” You’re kidding yourself. Poor sales figures on PC are poor sales figures on PC, end of story.

I don't understand this mentality. Basically he's saying that companies are unable to figure out the reason for a game having poor sales. This doesn't make sense, as this particular company followed the internet enough to recognize the demand was there in the first place. So this idea they have a blindfold on when it comes to the internet seems excessively silly.

Don’t think that publishers will see poor sales figures and think “Well, that’s what happens when we don’t optimise our games for PC! Maybe we’ll optimise next time.” You’re kidding yourself. Poor sales figures on PC are poor sales figures on PC, end of story.