s1mon75 wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 19:33:

hyperwired wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 04:45:
Duh. Way to oversimplify it.

I like my steel swords; I'm a bit of a collector, but there aren't many craftsmen who make them any more; lately more and more people are getting into swordfighting and are taking preference to wooden swords which are easier to start with and more suited to casual bouts. I'm happy for them because swordfighting is gaining popularity and they are enjoying a fine sport and honing their swordsmanship. Hell, every now and then I use a wooden sword just for the change and its refreshing.

But what is starting to happen is that now its very hard to find a craftsman making new steel swords; since the majority of the new generation of swordfighters are quite content with wooden swords, the demand for wooden swords has skyrocketed. Its quite possible that later they prefer steel swords (if there are any left to find) as they experiment a bit. Who knows?

I dont judge them; my preference is simply for steel swords. Even if I try to get a new steel sword made, the craftsmen are using wooden parts as part of the structure, at first it was just the hilt, but now a blade itself which merely has a steel wire running through is sold as a steel sword; it has become very hard to find a place to get a new one made in the old style, which was once very popular but now seems to be dying.

Of course I feel a bit frustrated; But its not fair to blame the new generation that prefer wooden swords (for a lot of them its all they know). Who can I blame?

Of the steel swordfighhters and collectors, many have quit. Others have let their frustrations show. Most are quietly waiting, clinging on to the few craftsmen they can trust to not add wood to steel; hoping for a resurgence of steel.

I like it, but as a history buff and sword collector myself there is one issue I have with whats written above.

Arguably the best swordsman to ever walk the earth in Japan is Miyamoto Musashi. He is the man who wrote the Book of Five Rings, a book well worth reading. After he killed enough people, he decided to arm himself with two Bokken, wooden swords. He never once lost a fight.

A swordsman doesnt need steel to be deserving of the namesake.

Cool info - I'm no buff; but I knew this analogy would be taken too literally :S. Oh well, It was worth a try.

Lots of good changes there, shame that a lot of them seem to be reversions. I'm more interested in how they are fixing the classes up. At least things are moving in the right direction now, that counts for something in my books. I can forget a bad launch period and some dumb decisions if they redo enough of the game to make it enjoyable. I still wish they had some more environment variety and randomizaton but oh well, maybe in the xpac.

hyperwired wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 04:45:
Duh. Way to oversimplify it.

I like my steel swords; I'm a bit of a collector, but there aren't many craftsmen who make them any more; lately more and more people are getting into swordfighting and are taking preference to wooden swords which are easier to start with and more suited to casual bouts. I'm happy for them because swordfighting is gaining popularity and they are enjoying a fine sport and honing their swordsmanship. Hell, every now and then I use a wooden sword just for the change and its refreshing.

But what is starting to happen is that now its very hard to find a craftsman making new steel swords; since the majority of the new generation of swordfighters are quite content with wooden swords, the demand for wooden swords has skyrocketed. Its quite possible that later they prefer steel swords (if there are any left to find) as they experiment a bit. Who knows?

I dont judge them; my preference is simply for steel swords. Even if I try to get a new steel sword made, the craftsmen are using wooden parts as part of the structure, at first it was just the hilt, but now a blade itself which merely has a steel wire running through is sold as a steel sword; it has become very hard to find a place to get a new one made in the old style, which was once very popular but now seems to be dying.

Of course I feel a bit frustrated; But its not fair to blame the new generation that prefer wooden swords (for a lot of them its all they know). Who can I blame?

Of the steel swordfighhters and collectors, many have quit. Others have let their frustrations show. Most are quietly waiting, clinging on to the few craftsmen they can trust to not add wood to steel; hoping for a resurgence of steel.

I like it, but as a history buff and sword collector myself there is one issue I have with whats written above.

Arguably the best swordsman to ever walk the earth in Japan is Miyamoto Musashi. He is the man who wrote the Book of Five Rings, a book well worth reading. After he killed enough people, he decided to arm himself with two Bokken, wooden swords. He never once lost a fight.

A swordsman doesnt need steel to be deserving of the namesake.

Yet another multiplayer focused game where the devs eventually admit most people play solo. And yet next time the debate comes up someone will tell me multiplayer matters above all else and I am a minority.

Axis wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 12:06:
You underestimate the conceit of the new blizzard - the game will never go below $40.


That is unless they cut their losses and focus on whatever income their rmah manages to pull in as long as its profitable...

It will. I can wait.

http://www.amazon.com/Diablo-2-mac-PC/dp/B00002CF9M/ref=pd_sim_vg_6

Julio wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 13:46:

Saboth wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 09:30:
I might give it a shot when it's $10.

That's about the right price point. Its a 'play it once then delete it' kind of game.

Sorry, but always online DRM is not worth any price. Not even worth 1 cent. It's wrong.

Please do not support always online DRM.

Saboth wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 09:30:
I might give it a shot when it's $10.

That's about the right price point. Its a 'play it once then delete it' kind of game.

Nothing new here, but by the time this hits $20, the game should be in great shape.

Why would you ever think it would? Maybe when Diablo 4 comes out.

ASeven wrote on Aug 10, 2012, 20:58:

Dades wrote on Aug 10, 2012, 20:37:

Alamar wrote on Aug 10, 2012, 19:59:
Unleash the Told-ya-so's...

-Alamar

People did tell them so already, many times.

Too many times. Sigh. All for a shiny that didn't even last that long to entertain.

...And for all the fuckin' dumbasses that bought it (beacuse it was shiny)... thanks for helping legitimize always online DRM.

You underestimate the conceit of the new blizzard - the game will never go below $40.


That is unless they cut their losses and focus on whatever income their rmah manages to pull in as long as its profitable...

Nothing new here, but by the time this hits $20, the game should be in great shape.

Saboth wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 09:30:

deqer wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 09:01:

AnointedSword wrote on Aug 10, 2012, 22:58:
I love how people were saying this game was dead. I find it funny because of the actual data that we have on this company. Blizzard has showed support for their games second to none. Take away all the class warfare- rich versus poor- arguments and you have a company that supported D2 for years! Name another company (not community patches) that supported a game as long? The list is real short...

I also find it funny that people say this game has zero content after you beat the game. Clearly, you have never played other action RPGs or...I will keep the negative thoughts to myself. With that said, more content will come via patches and boxed expansions (just like most every other game in this category).

Why is it too little...too late? Blizzard will get this game up to par long before an expansion will come out. It isn't like you have to pay a monthly fee or by another copy to try out the new patches...

Have fun playing your single-player game online.

Number one reason I won't be buying it any time soon. I might give it a shot when it's $10. But this whole thing about "balancing" weapons/classes/drops/auction house and multiplayer when at its heart it is a single player game, and the whole "being allowed to play as long as you are online". Rubberbanding, lost saves, disconnects...no thanks.

Yeah best method to play this game.
I think it was fun the first time playing through it. Even the second time and the 3rd time, but then huge issues become evident and Blizzard "fixing" the complete opposite, so I quit.

It is worth $10, because it was fun for a while. But this is nowhere near Diablo 1 or 2. I played 1 & 2 for months, but after 2 weeks playing Diablo 3, it was just not possible for me anymore.

deqer wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 09:01:

AnointedSword wrote on Aug 10, 2012, 22:58:
I love how people were saying this game was dead. I find it funny because of the actual data that we have on this company. Blizzard has showed support for their games second to none. Take away all the class warfare- rich versus poor- arguments and you have a company that supported D2 for years! Name another company (not community patches) that supported a game as long? The list is real short...

I also find it funny that people say this game has zero content after you beat the game. Clearly, you have never played other action RPGs or...I will keep the negative thoughts to myself. With that said, more content will come via patches and boxed expansions (just like most every other game in this category).

Why is it too little...too late? Blizzard will get this game up to par long before an expansion will come out. It isn't like you have to pay a monthly fee or by another copy to try out the new patches...

Have fun playing your single-player game online.

Number one reason I won't be buying it any time soon. I might give it a shot when it's $10. But this whole thing about "balancing" weapons/classes/drops/auction house and multiplayer when at its heart it is a single player game, and the whole "being allowed to play as long as you are online". Rubberbanding, lost saves, disconnects...no thanks.

AnointedSword wrote on Aug 10, 2012, 22:58:
I love how people were saying this game was dead. I find it funny because of the actual data that we have on this company. Blizzard has showed support for their games second to none. Take away all the class warfare- rich versus poor- arguments and you have a company that supported D2 for years! Name another company (not community patches) that supported a game as long? The list is real short...

I also find it funny that people say this game has zero content after you beat the game. Clearly, you have never played other action RPGs or...I will keep the negative thoughts to myself. With that said, more content will come via patches and boxed expansions (just like most every other game in this category).

Why is it too little...too late? Blizzard will get this game up to par long before an expansion will come out. It isn't like you have to pay a monthly fee or by another copy to try out the new patches...

Have fun playing your single-player game online.

Blizz internal network was compromised : Damm !!
Quickly release the patch note for 1.04 that way peps will forget what happend

People are soooo easy 's

s1mon75 wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 03:26:

Graham wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 00:13:
How fucking dare you? Seriously, what is this?

You come on this board, in this space, and claim to be enjoying yourself in a game that we don't approve of? Fuck you. Fuck everything you stand for. This game didn't meet the expectations of the thin edge of the wedge, and for that, it's a failure. Despite the fact that it set record sales, and despite the fact that enough people are still playing to bitch in an epic fashion, you're WRONG WRONG WRONG.

And you're a horrible person for having a good time with it, you filthy fucking casual. Your entertainment is invalid. Your joy? Non-existant. From now on you'd better fucking check in with us on how to feel before you feel it, lest you post something here that we don't like. THEN... THEN you will see what a stern talking to really is.

Quoted Because this is quite possibly the best post ive read on Bluesnews. Message me and ill Gift you your game of choice via Steam or Amazon.

EDIT: Bold fail

So its a paid post then.

Graham wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 00:13:
How fucking dare you? Seriously, what is this?

You come on this board, in this space, and claim to be enjoying yourself in a game that we don't approve of? Fuck you. Fuck everything you stand for. This game didn't meet the expectations of the thin edge of the wedge, and for that, it's a failure. Despite the fact that it set record sales, and despite the fact that enough people are still playing to bitch in an epic fashion, you're WRONG WRONG WRONG.

And you're a horrible person for having a good time with it, you filthy fucking casual. Your entertainment is invalid. Your joy? Non-existant. From now on you'd better fucking check in with us on how to feel before you feel it, lest you post something here that we don't like. THEN... THEN you will see what a stern talking to really is.

Duh. Way to oversimplify it.

I like my steel swords; I'm a bit of a collector, but there aren't many craftsmen who make them any more; lately more and more people are getting into swordfighting and are taking preference to wooden swords which are easier to start with and more suited to casual bouts. I'm happy for them because swordfighting is gaining popularity and they are enjoying a fine sport and honing their swordsmanship. Hell, every now and then I use a wooden sword just for the change and its refreshing.

But what is starting to happen is that now its very hard to find a craftsman making new steel swords; since the majority of the new generation of swordfighters are quite content with wooden swords, the demand for wooden swords has skyrocketed. Its quite possible that later they prefer steel swords (if there are any left to find) as they experiment a bit. Who knows?

I dont judge them; my preference is simply for steel swords. Even if I try to get a new steel sword made, the craftsmen are using wooden parts as part of the structure, at first it was just the hilt, but now a blade itself which merely has a steel wire running through is sold as a steel sword; it has become very hard to find a place to get a new one made in the old style, which was once very popular but now seems to be dying.

Of course I feel a bit frustrated; But its not fair to blame the new generation that prefer wooden swords (for a lot of them its all they know). Who can I blame?

Of the steel swordfighhters and collectors, many have quit. Others have let their frustrations show. Most are quietly waiting, clinging on to the few craftsmen they can trust to not add wood to steel; hoping for a resurgence of steel.

Graham wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 00:13:
How fucking dare you? Seriously, what is this?

You come on this board, in this space, and claim to be enjoying yourself in a game that we don't approve of? Fuck you. Fuck everything you stand for. This game didn't meet the expectations of the thin edge of the wedge, and for that, it's a failure. Despite the fact that it set record sales, and despite the fact that enough people are still playing to bitch in an epic fashion, you're WRONG WRONG WRONG.

And you're a horrible person for having a good time with it, you filthy fucking casual. Your entertainment is invalid. Your joy? Non-existant. From now on you'd better fucking check in with us on how to feel before you feel it, lest you post something here that we don't like. THEN... THEN you will see what a stern talking to really is.

Exactly. The neighbor's girl (3yo) is happily playing with dog poo, so let her! IT'S FUN! You might even want to join her!

Graham wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 00:13:
How fucking dare you? Seriously, what is this?

You come on this board, in this space, and claim to be enjoying yourself in a game that we don't approve of? Fuck you. Fuck everything you stand for. This game didn't meet the expectations of the thin edge of the wedge, and for that, it's a failure. Despite the fact that it set record sales, and despite the fact that enough people are still playing to bitch in an epic fashion, you're WRONG WRONG WRONG.

And you're a horrible person for having a good time with it, you filthy fucking casual. Your entertainment is invalid. Your joy? Non-existant. From now on you'd better fucking check in with us on how to feel before you feel it, lest you post something here that we don't like. THEN... THEN you will see what a stern talking to really is.

Quoted Because this is quite possibly the best post ive read on Bluesnews. Message me and ill Gift you your game of choice via Steam or Amazon.

EDIT: Bold fail

Sounds ok but not enough to bring me back yet. For all the talk of AH getting cheaper it isnt really. You still need many many millions to get kit that can make you survice act 2 & 3 inferno. My poor witch hunter is still a shadow of his former self in inferno as opposed to the pre inferno powerhouse he was.

I'll wait till 1.1 or the DLC and see how that goes. Still, it isnt like im paying any monthly fees so these updates are effectively free.

Like many others I have had fun with D3 although the major nail in the coffin was the increase death costs. This pretty much stopped me and my friends "fooling about" and having fun. This isnt WOW so why did they care how much you died?

What they could have done was take the HIGHER of individual or group MF/GF that would help. That way the tank can be a full tank for the group and still benefit in some way whereas the poor sap who has GF/MF gear kiting away will get a better benefit