jdreyer wrote on Jul 29, 2012, 15:13:
RollinThundr wrote on Jul 29, 2012, 14:32:
When you're not selling cars and the AWU continues to ask for more more more. Which they did for years. Who does some of the blame fall on? That's great GM's turning a profit, lovely, shame the tax payers won't see a penny of it.
GM paid back some. They didn't pay back everything they borrowed like some liberals will try to tell you.
First you say the tax payers won't see any of it, then you say it won't all be paid back meaning they've paid back some already. Does your right hand know what your left hand is typing?
Unions are not perfect, but you'd prefer to return to Victorian England where the vast majority of the population worked for subsistence wages for obscenely rich industrialists? It's no coincidence that over the last 30 years unions have been falling by the wayside while middle class wages have stagnated and the rich have gotten much richer. Thunder, your salary is lower by $1000s b/c the rich have been manipulating the system into their favor, including an aggressive campaign vs. unions.
As for GM, lots of car companies worldwide needed bailouts from their governments. GM's mistake was focusing too much on SUVs, but much of what happened to them was beyond their control: the twin catastrophes of the financial collapse and the doubling of gasoline prices. In a normal economic cycle they would have had time to adjust, but the pace of economic change was just too great. It's exactly for these kind of once-in-a-lifetime events that governments exist.
So the taxpayer should pay for them making too many SUV's rather than making a Prius? (and no that god awful Volt doesn't count) Here's the thing, when you or I screw up at work, or screwed up growing up, we paid the consequences for it.
This is the main issue with political correctness, there's no such thing as personal responsibility being taught these days.
Government is there to provide infrastructure, roads, police, fire military protection etc. They're not there to hand out bailouts for companies or individuals fucking off.
Unions were necessary 30 years ago, the unions of today that thrive off greed and making political contributions to the DNC are not the same as those working for worker's rights back then. And this is coming from someone in one.