But there is no way in hell you can convince me that it’s beneficial for society to not share ideas. Ideas are free. They improve on old things, make them better, and this results in all of society being better. Sharing ideas is how we improve.
A common argument for patents is that inventors won’t invent unless they can protect their ideas. The problem with this argument is that patents apply even if the infringer came up with the idea independently. If the idea is that easy to think of, why do we need to reward the person who happened to be first?
I will say that there are areas which are very costly to research, but where the benefits for mankind long term are very positive. I would personally prefer it to have those be government funded (like with CERN or NASA) and patent free as opposed to what’s happening with medicine, but I do understand why some people thing patents are good in these areas.
Trivial patents, such as for software, are counterproductive (they slown down technical advancement), evil (they sacrifice baby goats to baal), and costly (companies get tied up in pointless lawsuits).
Prez wrote on Jul 22, 2012, 19:57:Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 22, 2012, 19:38:but I do understand why some people thing patents are good in these areas.
Has anyone else noticed how often people have been typing the word "think" as "thing" lately? I'm seeing it at least once a day on average. I'm not a spelling Nazi or anything, but I do wonder why it has been happening so often.
Disclaimer: My spelling and typing skills are average at best and I too have typed thing when I have meant to say think.
Hadn't noticed. I thing it may be because the 'g' and the 'k' are sort of close together on the keyboard.
NKD wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 01:57:Dev wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 01:31:Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 01:23:He's implying that they have a trivial patent (which is probably true) and saying they are evil (which also might be true), but it will be hard to prove they sacrifice goats.Dev wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 00:25:I don't see anything there that could be considered defamation (specifically libel). Shouldn't be a problem for him.Kajetan wrote on Jul 22, 2012, 16:07:Go read that last line in blues blurb again. You don't think someone could argue thats defamatory in court?Dev wrote on Jul 22, 2012, 15:51:What ammo?
That last line is just giving ammo to his opponent.
As you said, subjective opinions are not grounds for defamation. Regarding the goats... Statements that are absurd or used as simple insults typically don't rise to the level of defamation. If I say you're a space alien from Planet X no reasonable person is likely to believe me and no damage is done to your reputation. (Proving damage is part of a defamation suit).
Beamer wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 12:25:Orogogus wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:56:Beamer wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:49:Orogogus wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:44:
There are no cheap, easy wins in the drug industry.
Not sure why I'm the one you're arguing with, but sure there are. Anything incremental is a cheap, easy win.
It's all relative, is it not?
You posited that there were few incentives for drug companies to go after bigger, more difficult gains. In reality, those projects get looked at a lot because all drug development for the US is difficult whether it's for a cold symptom suppressant or the cure for cancer. The buy in cost is very, very high (although it is admittedly much higher for cases where the clinical trials will involve people dying). If you haven't seen many of the hard ones yet, it's because things that are hard take time.
And if they can make as much money on the easy ones they go for those. It's hard science, but the decision making isn't - if a company has two options in front of them, one that will take 100 million to get to market and one that will take 50 million, and the expected revenues for both are about the same, and the likelihood to get to market are about the same, which do they go after?
Orogogus wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:56:Beamer wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:49:Orogogus wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:44:
There are no cheap, easy wins in the drug industry.
Not sure why I'm the one you're arguing with, but sure there are. Anything incremental is a cheap, easy win.
It's all relative, is it not?
You posited that there were few incentives for drug companies to go after bigger, more difficult gains. In reality, those projects get looked at a lot because all drug development for the US is difficult whether it's for a cold symptom suppressant or the cure for cancer. The buy in cost is very, very high (although it is admittedly much higher for cases where the clinical trials will involve people dying). If you haven't seen many of the hard ones yet, it's because things that are hard take time.
Beamer wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:49:Orogogus wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:44:
There are no cheap, easy wins in the drug industry.
Not sure why I'm the one you're arguing with, but sure there are. Anything incremental is a cheap, easy win.
It's all relative, is it not?
Orogogus wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 11:44:
There are no cheap, easy wins in the drug industry.
netnerd85 wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 10:38:
Software and medical patents are the work of the devil and/or greedy c**ts
Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 22, 2012, 19:38:but I do understand why some people thing patents are good in these areas.
Has anyone else noticed how often people have been typing the word "think" as "thing" lately? I'm seeing it at least once a day on average. I'm not a spelling Nazi or anything, but I do wonder why it has been happening so often.
Disclaimer: My spelling and typing skills are average at best and I too have typed thing when I have meant to say think.
InBlack wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 04:38:
Yeah digging this world we live in, where a company can patent a cure or vaccine for a disease and charge whatever it fucking wants for a 2$ chemical solution.
Gotta love capitalism!
AnointedSword wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 04:41:
Ideas also need to be protected. For example, I have this great idea about how to make an AR-15 better. The idea is great, but I did not patent the idea. Big corporation (the ones I went to for funding) already have the funding, they take my idea and make millions off it. Protecting ideas also helps the small time inventor as well. Ideas need to be protected...
NKD wrote on Jul 23, 2012, 01:13:Cutter wrote on Jul 22, 2012, 22:24:Rattlehead wrote on Jul 22, 2012, 19:11:
You're just an asshole in general. You may not be snide or condescending, but you're still an asshole.
I don't know what happened to the ignore function but this is precisely why I have all the trolls and morons like yourself on it. You fit the very definition of asshole. All you do is troll and flame. You contribute nothing to anyone anywhere. You are, for all intents and purposes a waste of life, space, and resources. Along with your other little troll buddies/bigots/clowns/assholes like Hellbinder, Space Captain, etc. A good beating is something you cowardly little losers desperately need as well. Gee, life sure is funny when you're anonymous on the internet and living out of the folk's basement, right loser?
Oh lord, just stop. You're just as anonymous as he is, and for all we know, you live in a basement too. I know you aren't new to the Internet, so why are you stooping to the "I'll kick yer ass you no good basement dwellin' neckbeard! Don't mess with Texas!" trope? Veiled threats of violence are the Ambrosia of troll food.
Everyone already knows what kind of tools Hellbinder and friends are. Making yourself look like a complete stereotype in a futile attempt to hurt their feelings isn't a very bright idea.
Why not just discuss why you feel Notch is a jerk or asshole and point out some examples, instead of throwing invective at obvious trolls who only enjoy it.