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11. Re: are you not entertained? Jul 20, 2012, 01:47 Prez
space captain wrote on Jul 20, 2012, 00:41:
Prez wrote on Jul 19, 2012, 23:42:
The whole thing is just stupid - with all of the real shit going on we have got elected officials incessantly arguing over what amounts to semantics. Marriage, civil unions, who fucking cares what its called? Let people do what they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. This certainly is nowhere near the most important issue facing us, but you'd never guess it based on how much press this shit gets every time it comes up.

...The issue of religious fundamentalists campaigning against various aspects of non-traditional or non-ordinary behavior is not new. The most extreme public example in USA is that Westboro church bullshit. Other christian fundamentalists might not be as extreme, but its essentially the same idea, and the logical conclusion of that kind of perspective.

They are the same as those muslims who demand that women wear sheets covering every bit of skin.

Its rampant traditionalism, and the deification of socialization, or conditioning (which btw, differs quite a bit depending on your environment), which is really the most comfortable sanctuary for minds which cannot adapt to actual reality. When the bell rings, the mouth waters. If the "holy" "logic" of blind conditioning were to suddenly fall apart... well, then they would have to find their own way.

Their very survival depends on the maintenance of these traditional values, because they have no independent existence from them. These people are nothing but side effects of society itself. They are not actually "real" in the sense of having individuality.

So, it is a matter of life and death for them.

All very true, but ask any Christian if they would be okay with homosexuals being legally allowed to enter into a "civil union", which ultimately is EXACTLY the same as marriage in a legal and practical sense and all but the most fanatical ones (who frankly make the vast majority of other Christians uncomfortable because of their inexplicable fervor) are just fine with it.** They may not approve of the behavior but they feel less threatened because their precious word "Marriage" is no longer "under attack", whatever the hell that means. Which always makes me ask the question "So what the hell are we arguing about it for?"

** Just be sure to do it on an individual basis - Christians in large groups exhibit a pack mentality and will answer based not on their actual personal ideology but what they feel is the institutionalized, acceptable answer as the "Church" defines it.
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