Flatline wrote on Jun 12, 2012, 05:19:

Pretty much. The Chaingun was pretty good at other things, like killing soft targets (solar panels and generators and inventory stations) while saving ammo. Inside the base they were pretty useful too.

One thing I noticed is missing, and I mean *really* missing from T:A are the unbelievably good snipers. When I first discovered Tribes, a friend and I would set up at opposite sides of the map and coordinate incoming enemies. Two *really* good snipers could lock down an entire map without a coordinated offense, headshotting the lights, two-shotting the mediums, and I think 3 or 4 shotting the heavies.

I moved on to other things in my Tribes days but I never forgot the frustration of having a laser bolt come out of the blue and fry my ass.

Jerykk wrote on Jun 12, 2012, 01:41:
I'm not sure how much Tribes you played if you thought the chaingun was just a puny finishing weapon. Practically every chaser in T1 relied on the CG for chasing. Really skilled players could mow down opponents at any range. I'm basing this on a few years of experience playing T1 Base competitively on the OGL and TWL ladders. I didn't play any of the mods like Shifter.

Check out this video (at 3:50 & 5:23) for an example of how effective the CG was in skilled hands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV07MgjpoLE

As for the rapid-fire weapons in T:A, I guess you do have to lead a bit if the target is far away. Not as much as in T1, though.

shihonage wrote on Jun 12, 2012, 01:35:

Jerykk wrote on Jun 12, 2012, 00:23:

Original Tribes' chaingun was mostly a throwaway/finishing weapon. Majority of the game revolved around projectiles you could actually SEE travel, and thus evade, and that's part of what made it special.

I wouldn't go that far. The chaingun in T1 just required more skill to be effective. You needed to fire in rapid but short bursts and lead your aim. Conversely, in T:A, you just hold down the trigger and keep your reticule on the target.

Another thing they can do is reduce the damage of the rapid-fire projectiles over distance. This would make them considerably less effective at long range.

I didn't go "far" or anywhere for that matter, I just stated what I observed through a long history of playing Tribes and Tribes:ShifterX. Chaingun was a puny, finishing weapon during overwhelming majority of the time - nothing more.

Your other claim is also inaccurate. If you keep your reticle on the target in T:A, you will miss. Unless you use a hitscan weapon, which the Falcon may or may not be (another candidate for OP bullshit upgrade).

Jerykk wrote on Jun 12, 2012, 00:23:

Original Tribes' chaingun was mostly a throwaway/finishing weapon. Majority of the game revolved around projectiles you could actually SEE travel, and thus evade, and that's part of what made it special.

I wouldn't go that far. The chaingun in T1 just required more skill to be effective. You needed to fire in rapid but short bursts and lead your aim. Conversely, in T:A, you just hold down the trigger and keep your reticule on the target.

Another thing they can do is reduce the damage of the rapid-fire projectiles over distance. This would make them considerably less effective at long range.

Original Tribes' chaingun was mostly a throwaway/finishing weapon. Majority of the game revolved around projectiles you could actually SEE travel, and thus evade, and that's part of what made it special.

Jerykk wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 21:07:
Anyone have a link to the actual changelist?

That aside, I agree that the rapid-fire weapons need to have less accuracy. In the previous games, the longer you fired, the less accurate the chaingun became. T:A definitely needs that for all rapid-fire weapons. Also, plasma projectiles need to be slower.

yuastnav wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 17:31:
If they don't nerv the Jackal and all the different Plasma gun variations there will be hell to play!

space captain wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 16:45:
man i saw this coming light years away