StingingVelvet wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:41:
ASeven wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:36:
Because you failed to realize, like I put in my replies you so coyly try to avoid replying, that people will fight back. The Pirate Party gaining monstrous momentum, the net rising against such laws and winning... Yes, those guys, the corps and govts, will always want more regulations but the point you seem to stubbornly ignore is that people WILL fight back and often win. The fact that many laws got away with it and passed is because people were too lethargic or didn't care because a certain line wasn't crossed. SOPA was that line and now people everywhere are rising up and winning. So what corporations want is irrelevant when people rise and put governments in jeopardy by electing other parties other than the ones who passed such laws.
But again, you will ignore this to continue making your own strawmen.
None of that shit is happening in the U.S., which is what we were talking about (SOPA, etc.). I mean sure there are examples of other trends elsewhere, the country I am in right now doesn't even have fucking copyright at all.
I guess I am more not finding relevance with these ideas of yours rather than not wanting to debate them.
It IS happening in the US as well! I mean SOPA and PIPA were scrapped due to net pressure. Sure, there's CISPA now, like you've said they'll keep on trying to pass laws and I never denied that, they will indeed keep on trying, the difference is that people will become vocal if a line is crossed in their minds, SOPA was that line and anything they do now will always go further than SOPA did as CISPA exemplifies but what you are not taking into account is the reaction of people who will see their lives, net lives and real lives, changed by such laws. Yes, each country has a different reaction, the US is not Europe when it comes to vocal reactions but despite that the reactions within the US against SOPA, and most of the blackout sites were indeed American, was effective. Different from other countries, yes, but damn effective enough to scare the President himself to issue an article anti-SOPA.
Yes they are at it again with CISPA but you can bet there will be another reaction, perhaps stronger than with SOPA. The difference with SOPA compared to other, older freedom-abusive laws that passed is that, as I've said, SOPA was simply too much for too many people, it was the metaphorical straw that broke the camel's back. People are now more aware of these kinds of laws after SOPA so while you are right that corps and govts will keep on trying a spanner has been thrown into the gears and something's different is now happening, people are fighting back and they didn't that, not much anyway.
It is that you now have to add to the big picture. Do that and things will no longer be as straightforward as you see them.
EDIT: It is also slowly spreading to other countries as well. In the aftermath of the Arab Spring some of the liberated countries have instated copyright ministries that are actually quite rational and balanced, by that I mean their not anti-consumer and also not aggressive against corporations. People are starting to see governments and corporations are using copyright as a means to impose draconian laws on everyone and obviously people don't like that, so the spread that info everywhere through the net or real life and slowly more and more people are starting to realize copyright enforcement is, right now in the molds it is, bullshit. Even China, of all countries, is starting to realize that.