Pickle, you're such an amusing cretinous idiot that you aren't even worth putting on ignore. Keep talking retard (though at least try to make your idiotic posts at least somewhat readable.. hard for a retard, I know, but try), I need the comic relief.

Come on guy, put some fucking effort into it.

Can't even tell what's going on in that mess.

Prez wrote on Mar 1, 2012, 07:31:

He then attempted to oversimplify and draw an ad absurdum argument wherein rape was equivalent to scanning hard drives within the context of a software agreement.

Again, no. He did no such thing. You just intend for everyone to believe he did so you can highlight the absurdity of the argument he didn't make and declare victory. Congratulations on the bigger e-peen.

The pickle wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 18:52:

speaking of hypocrites.....

You talk so much shit...I don't know whether to offer a breath mint or toilet paper.

Speaking of retards... Okay we weren't, but a retard (you) speaking is as good a segue as any.

Teddy wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 18:54:
I took nothing out of context. I stated previously that he had agreed to a software agreement wherein the provider had given themselves the 'right' to scan a system to provide better service. He then attempted to oversimplify and draw an ad absurdum argument wherein rape was equivalent to scanning hard drives within the context of a software agreement.

That's the exact context the argument was made, and the exact context I took it when I stated that EA was being made out to be the equivalent of rapists.

If you can't see that in obvious clarity, then yes, debating is a waste of time.

Yep, you're absolutely right, Teddy. That's EXACTLY how it was intended. I think you need to post it at least 400 more times and take it completely dead seriously, and stomp your little foot some more.

Creston

Well for anyone who's been following this thread still. I've left origin running for the last 2ish days. Call me a sadist, and notta. So where it's pulling your info from I have no idea. The only thing I can guess is, it's from your 'tied' account. Though none of my registered games show up there either.

Teddy wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 18:54:

Prez wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 15:02:

Except that I'm not the one that said it. I'm repeating what someone else brought as their argument. To be a strawman argument, I'd have to be misrepresenting what was said. I'm not.

You deliberately used it in a manner completely out of context from the way it was said, so yeah, strawman. In fact, I can't think of a more perfect illustration of the deliberate misrepresentation of an argument that constitutes the exact kind of unfair debating that makes the internet such a waste of time to debate on.

I took nothing out of context. I stated previously that he had agreed to a software agreement wherein the provider had given themselves the 'right' to scan a system to provide better service. He then attempted to oversimplify and draw an ad absurdum argument wherein rape was equivalent to scanning hard drives within the context of a software agreement.

That's the exact context the argument was made, and the exact context I took it when I stated that EA was being made out to be the equivalent of rapists.

If you can't see that in obvious clarity, then yes, debating is a waste of time.

Clearly you didn't even bother to read the post you quoted. You briefly skimmed it, saw the word "rape" and promptly started constructing your straw man.

But hey, you sure are giving that straw man hell! Way to go!

He then attempted to oversimplify and draw an ad absurdum argument wherein rape was equivalent to scanning hard drives within the context of a software agreement.

Again, no. He did no such thing. You just intend for everyone to believe he did so you can highlight the absurdity of the argument he didn't make and declare victory. Congratulations on the bigger e-peen.

The pickle wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 18:52:

speaking of hypocrites.....

Speaking of retards... Okay we weren't, but a retard (you) speaking is as good a segue as any.

This comment was edited on Mar 1, 2012, 07:37.

The pickle wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 18:03:
people who complain about Orgins & use steam = Hyprocrites!!
nuff said!!!

I find it interesting in your limited post history that a big chunk of it is going to threads to hate on steam. At the same time you throw out things like saying they are the same and say origins is as bad as steam. And you also say things about digital downloads suck and you want to buy retail boxed instead.

Do you actually even use either steam or origins? Maybe you mostly do retail boxed console games and don't even bother with gaming much on the PC let alone digital platforms. Do you like either service?

On the one hand I get an impression you think origins is better, and on the other hand I get the impression you dislike any digital service purely because its digital and don't even use either. Somewhat contradictory. Anyway, if you use one or both, what do you like and not like about each one?

Beamer wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 08:32:

Dev wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 05:39:
SO MANY MANY good games back in the day from companies that got gobbled and killed by EA. Those crusader no regret/no remorse were AWESOME games. Privateer 1 was an AWESOME GAME

You know that Privateer and the Crusader games were both started and finished while Origin was owned by EA, right?

Even if they were (and I see a post about how they have been started before), that is still included in what I said. Which was that EA gobbled and killed companies that made good games. I don't limit that statement to only games made before EA got them.

Often times EA would grab a company, they'd do one more decent game (or at most a few if they were prolific), then EA would kill them, or push them into a downhill spiral that ended up releasing crap and then kill them. There's a number of big companies that buy out smaller companies just to stop the potential competition, not because they want to actually USE their products or IP, but they just don't want anyone ELSE to use the IP. EA has a giant catalog of IP that they aren't bothering to use, IP that was successful back in the day, IP that still sells well from back catalogs on places like Steam or GoG. I bet if they contracted out some of it to smaller companies to do smaller scale (think indie) sequels, people would buy it at reasonable prices like $20. For instance I'd buy for $20 a smaller scale theme hospital, or populous, or syndicate, or dungeon keeper. And those are only a few games off the top of my head from ONE studio EA killed. Something similar to the originals, and perhaps not AAA graphics, but something with more casual graphics and good gameplay.

MS is another example of a company like that. Heck with MS, they are big enough that they've killed products or companies by just ANNOUNCING they are working on something similar, even if they never actually go through or even intend to do so.

This comment was edited on Feb 29, 2012, 19:18.

Prez wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 15:02:

Except that I'm not the one that said it. I'm repeating what someone else brought as their argument. To be a strawman argument, I'd have to be misrepresenting what was said. I'm not.

You deliberately used it in a manner completely out of context from the way it was said, so yeah, strawman. In fact, I can't think of a more perfect illustration of the deliberate misrepresentation of an argument that constitutes the exact kind of unfair debating that makes the internet such a waste of time to debate on.

I took nothing out of context. I stated previously that he had agreed to a software agreement wherein the provider had given themselves the 'right' to scan a system to provide better service. He then attempted to oversimplify and draw an ad absurdum argument wherein rape was equivalent to scanning hard drives within the context of a software agreement.

That's the exact context the argument was made, and the exact context I took it when I stated that EA was being made out to be the equivalent of rapists.

If you can't see that in obvious clarity, then yes, debating is a waste of time.

Prez wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 18:31:

people who complain about Orgins & use steam = Hyprocrites!!

People who view everything in absolutes = simpletons!!

speaking of hypocrites.....

people who complain about Orgins & use steam = Hyprocrites!!

People who view everything in absolutes = simpletons!!

The pickle wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 18:03:
people who complain about Orgins & use steam = Hyprocrites!!
nuff said!!!

First, it's neither "Orgins" nor "Origins".

Second, Origin the PC game distribution platform is a complete steaming pile of horseshit compared to Steam. (Just as EA is compared to Valve.) Not that Steam is perfect, mind you, but there's plenty of reasons to like Steam and despize Origin.

people who complain about Orgins & use steam = Hyprocrites!!
nuff said!!!

Except that I'm not the one that said it. I'm repeating what someone else brought as their argument. To be a strawman argument, I'd have to be misrepresenting what was said. I'm not.

You deliberately used it in a manner completely out of context from the way it was said, so yeah, strawman. In fact, I can't think of a more perfect illustration of the deliberate misrepresentation of an argument that constitutes the exact kind of unfair debating that makes the internet such a waste of time to debate on.

This comment was edited on Feb 29, 2012, 15:11.

Prez wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 09:40:

...keep on raging about how evil EA is and how they're somehow equivalent to rapists and whatnot.

THAT would be a strawman. Thanks for the illustration.

Except that I'm not the one that said it. I'm repeating what someone else brought as their argument. To be a strawman argument, I'd have to be misrepresenting what was said. I'm not.

Creston wrote on Feb 28, 2012, 11:35:
Oh yeah, they could put in their EULA that they have the right to come over whenever they want to and rape my family. Somehow I doubt that that'd be considered okay.

...

Creston

So yeah, it wasn't until AFTER they got bought by EA that Origin REALLY started making great ... I can't even type that sarcastically. I know you love defending the big publishers, but that's such a load of unbelievable horseshit I'm amazed your keyboard didn't go on strike.

LMAO! Great paragraph at the end!

Beamer wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 08:32:
Wing Commander and Ultima are the only really good non-EA games they made, all their other, most memorable stuff came long after the EA acquisition.

Ehm, what other "Most Memorable!" stuff would that be? Strike Commander, Privateer and System Shock were already in development before EA bought them, as each was pretty remarkable in their day for having years of development time, and though I can't find any articles that specifically discuss it, I reckon it's a Dragon Age : Origins type deal, where EA didn't influence the project at all, or in a limited fashion at best.

Shadowcaster (1993)
Strike Commander (1993)
Privateer (1993)
System Shock (1994)
Pacific Strike (1994)
Wings of Glory (1994)
Bioforge (1995)
Crusader series (1995–1996)
CyberMage: Darklight Awakening (1995)
Jane's Combat Simulations: AH-64D Longbow (1996)
Jane's Combat Simulations: AH-64D Longbow: Flash Point Korea (1996)
Privateer 2: The Darkening (1996)
Jane's Combat Simulations: Longbow 2 (1997) Windows
Ultima Online (1997)

So after that, you're looking at Pacific Strike (great game, though it was just Strike Commander retextured, for all intents and purposes), the Crusader series (visionary, but extremely quirky), Bioforge (wonderful game) and the Jane's series that people will even remember. (if we ignore UO, which is a different discussion altogether)

Oh, and EA of course also had a heavy hand in "creating" Ultima 9, probably the worst fucking abortion of an RPG ever released, and by far the most pointless destruction of a once iconic franchise. EA was the one who assigned... what's that fucker's face... from Command & Conquer... diCastillo? as producer of U9 and he famously went onto the Origin forums to say that Ultima "was not about baking bread, it was about action!" which nearly made the internet spontaneously combust.

So yeah, it wasn't until AFTER they got bought by EA that Origin REALLY started making great ... I can't even type that sarcastically. I know you love defending the big publishers, but that's such a load of unbelievable horseshit I'm amazed your keyboard didn't go on strike.

Creston

Antdude wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 02:50:
Origin also created the Ultima, Wing Commander, System Shock, Privateer, Jane's Combat Simulations franchises and a lot more great titles.

The "Strike" franchise (Pacific Strike and Strike Commander) were pretty fun too. And strangely enough, I even really enjoyed Cybermage, even though I never had any fucking clue what it was about.

Creston

This comment was edited on Feb 29, 2012, 10:31.

Teddy wrote on Feb 29, 2012, 07:47:
Then take them to court and try it. I don't believe for one second that you'd even come close to winning. If anything you'd just be throwing more precedent behind the legality of EULA's when you come to court with the "I know they told me but I didn't bother to read it." defense. Works well in contract disputes too, I hear.

Already been done here. An agreement between two parties, where one party does not read, or can not understand the contract, or in turn the contract is too verbose for the average layman may be declared null and void in the interest of the court. In which case, the court may move that the case be moved to a trial by peers, to determine the outcome of the dispute.

Case law covers it. You're welcome to go hunt for it in CanII, I'm far too lazy today.