Steam Top 10

Here's Valve's report on the 10 bestselling games on {steam) for the week:

  1. Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
  2. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
  3. Jagged Alliance: Back in Action
  4. Gotham City Imposters
  5. The Darkness II
  6. Call of Duty: modern Warfare 3
  7. Crusader Kings II
  8. Stronghold 3
  9. Plants versus Zombies: Game of the Year Edition
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 14, 2012, 00:15
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 14, 2012, 00:15
Feb 14, 2012, 00:15
 
The problem with tutorials is that most games aren't actually complex enough to justify them, yet publishers demand them because they're catering to retards.

As such, tutorials tend to be completely linear and scripted, which often contradicts the very core tenets of the game as a whole. Skyrim's tutorial was pretty bad, as was Amalur's. And Hitman: Blood Money's. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of any tutorial that was enjoyable. Personally, I'd rather just be thrown into the deep end and learn as I go.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 15:40
Verno
 
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 15:40
Feb 13, 2012, 15:40
 Verno
 
Some games have lame tutorials to teach players the controls but improve after their introduction sequences, other games start out with boring tutorials and never pick up the pace afterward. Amalur improves but not in the ways that matter to me as a player. Regardless, the intro dungeon is particularly lame and not a smart way to sell it to anyone.

Also the game has a staggering amount of VA yet the vast majority of it is terrible. I feel bad for Curt, he obviously has a lot of passion for videogames and dumped some of his own money into this but it's just kinda meh as a game. The combat is alright until you become ridiculously overpowered a few hours into the game and at least its arriving in a (somewhat) dead period anyway.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 15:03
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 15:03
Feb 13, 2012, 15:03
 
PHJF wrote on Feb 13, 2012, 14:35:
Seconded. I tried the demo the day it came out. I didnt even bother finishing it. I normally like some over the top combat (Just Cause 2, SR3) but KOAR bored me. Games in the first 15min should not be boring.

Except almost all games *are* boring in the first 15 minutes. It's called pacing and tutorials. A game as simple as Amalur in no way needs a tutorial, though.

I disagree. While most may get better as you get out of the introduction area, I wouldnt say most are boring in the first 15min of the game, tutorial or not.

If you can't make the introduction to a game interesting, then the designer has failed at his job. When you put that introduction in your demo, then it better be good enough to make me want to keep playing. As far as I'm concerned, based on what I played, this is a $10 game, and even people that have played beyond the demo are saying the same thing. So clearly playing beyond where I played not much changes.


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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 14:40
Verno
 
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 14:40
Feb 13, 2012, 14:40
 Verno
 
Yeah the tutorial area is pretty lame. Amalur gets better after the tutorial dungeon but not by much so *shrug*
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 14:35
PHJF
 
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 14:35
Feb 13, 2012, 14:35
 PHJF
 
Seconded. I tried the demo the day it came out. I didnt even bother finishing it. I normally like some over the top combat (Just Cause 2, SR3) but KOAR bored me. Games in the first 15min should not be boring.

Except almost all games *are* boring in the first 15 minutes. It's called pacing and tutorials. A game as simple as Amalur in no way needs a tutorial, though.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 14:22
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 14:22
Feb 13, 2012, 14:22
Dev
 
Krovven wrote on Feb 13, 2012, 13:29:
Seconded. I tried the demo the day it came out. I didnt even bother finishing it. I normally like some over the top combat (Just Cause 2, SR3) but KOAR bored me. Games in the first 15min should not be boring.
I've never understood why demos don't contain some of the better parts of a game. Sometimes demos come out that are nothing like the full game. Afterall a demo is trying to SELL someone the game!

I'm not saying thats the case here, I'm talking in general.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 13:29
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Feb 13, 2012, 13:29
 
rist3903 wrote on Feb 13, 2012, 01:27:
If you are interested in Kingdoms of Amalur try the demo. I thought it looked pretty neat and said so recently on bluesnews, then was encouraged to play the demo. Now I will not buy it, at least not until bargain bin time.

Doesn't mean you won't like it, but try before you buy.


Seconded. I tried the demo the day it came out. I didnt even bother finishing it. I normally like some over the top combat (Just Cause 2, SR3) but KOAR bored me. Games in the first 15min should not be boring.


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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 11:03
Verno
 
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 11:03
Feb 13, 2012, 11:03
 Verno
 
space captain wrote on Feb 13, 2012, 00:08:
kingdoms is just a bit above average, id say... even though each of the component parts is entirely average, somehow all together its a bit more solid

i wish it was more "secret of mana" than "WoW"... but its passable

Yeah agreed. I think it's just slightly above average but features a ton of derivative elements that drag it down. It's a worthy $20-30 title but for $60 I really question the value proposition, most of the quests are throwaway dreck that don't engage the player.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 07:21
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 07:21
Feb 13, 2012, 07:21
 
HorrorScope wrote on Feb 12, 2012, 22:39:
The side quests are just like any other RPG. They all are fetch quest. I'm still waiting for the first RPG where the NPC's are lazy and cowards.

um one of the first side quests in the city is to rescue a fae. The guy tells you he is lazy and coward. That leads to one of the better faction quests in the game and the only weapon worth putting points into besides the hammer, faeblades! though the fae you rescue you never even talk to or get thanked by.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 06:57
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 06:57
Feb 13, 2012, 06:57
 
Jerykk wrote on Feb 12, 2012, 20:09:
KOAR feels really, really generic. The quests, the characters, the dialogue, the lore, the setting... it's like an offline MMO. Also, guards are psychic and don't need to actually see you commit a crime to know you did. If you fail a lockpicking or stealing check, every guard will know it and come to arrest you.

You just have to wait a few seconds out of sight and their awareness of you starts to fade. Stealing is pointless anyway as it's so easy to find gold. I'm level 22 and have close to 3 million gold atm with nothing to buy. If this is the model for their MMO they're in serious trouble.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 02:35
Dev
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 02:35
Feb 13, 2012, 02:35
Dev
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Feb 12, 2012, 19:57:
It's much closer to Fable 3.
Ugh
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 01:27
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 01:27
Feb 13, 2012, 01:27
 

If you are interested in Kingdoms of Amalur try the demo. I thought it looked pretty neat and said so recently on bluesnews, then was encouraged to play the demo. Now I will not buy it, at least not until bargain bin time.

Doesn't mean you won't like it, but try before you buy.

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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 13, 2012, 00:08
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 13, 2012, 00:08
Feb 13, 2012, 00:08
 
kingdoms is just a bit above average, id say... even though each of the component parts is entirely average, somehow all together its a bit more solid

i wish it was more "secret of mana" than "WoW"... but its passable
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 12, 2012, 23:53
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 12, 2012, 23:53
Feb 12, 2012, 23:53
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Feb 12, 2012, 19:57:

If you'e expecting open world like Skyrim, though, you will be disappointed. It's much closer to Fable 3.

Ah. I'll wait for it to hit 10 bucks or so.

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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 12, 2012, 23:00
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 12, 2012, 23:00
Feb 12, 2012, 23:00
 
Jerykk wrote on Feb 12, 2012, 22:56:
The side quests are just like any other RPG. They all are fetch quest. I'm still waiting for the first RPG where the NPC's are lazy and cowards.

All RPG quests ultimately boil down to fetching, delivering or killing stuff. However, you can make these tasks more engaging by adding interesting characters, branching paths, ambiguous moral choices, compelling backstory, etc. KOAR doesn't really do this.

Yeah...this is looking like a $10 sale purchase. Absolutely no reason to pay full price for something like that.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 12, 2012, 22:56
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 12, 2012, 22:56
Feb 12, 2012, 22:56
 
The side quests are just like any other RPG. They all are fetch quest. I'm still waiting for the first RPG where the NPC's are lazy and cowards.

All RPG quests ultimately boil down to fetching, delivering or killing stuff. However, you can make these tasks more engaging by adding interesting characters, branching paths, ambiguous moral choices, compelling backstory, etc. KOAR doesn't really do this.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 12, 2012, 22:51
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 12, 2012, 22:51
Feb 12, 2012, 22:51
 
Darkness 2 has been $38 on Green Man Gaming for the past couple weeks, that got me to buy in.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 12, 2012, 22:39
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 12, 2012, 22:39
Feb 12, 2012, 22:39
 
The side quests are just like any other RPG. They all are fetch quest. I'm still waiting for the first RPG where the NPC's are lazy and cowards.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 12, 2012, 22:22
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Re: Steam Top 10 Feb 12, 2012, 22:22
Feb 12, 2012, 22:22
 
Drezden wrote on Feb 12, 2012, 19:58:
Your opinion.

Myself and a buddy have been playing through it. We're both in agreement that the game is fairly large. Not Skyrim large cause there are no infinitely random guild quests. But still a massive game, and the storyline is great. Obviously, thanks to Salvatore.

Your opinion.

The game is as generic as they come, the sidequests are wow style fetch crap and the only redeeming feature is the combat which gets old quickly because the game lacks any difficulty even on Hard. It's so easy the devs are looking into patching it to make it more difficult even. There is no need to specialize, money is trivial to come by and crafting renders most of the found loot obselete. The storyline is generic teenager fantasy crap courtesy of Salvatore. It is pretty much a singleplayer MMO with quests from the equivalent of the B writing staff at Blizzard.

The best thing I can say about the game is that you can disable post processing to turn off the ridiculous amounts of bloom. The faction quests are decent, the guys who did those should have been tasked with creating other content because they're the only ones who did anything worthwhile.
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Re: Steam Top 10
Feb 12, 2012, 22:06
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Feb 12, 2012, 22:06
 
The pickle wrote on Feb 12, 2012, 21:27:
Wow i'm surprised the POS that is the darkness II is on that list. Shitty POV

I think you mean FOV. There are workarounds you can use to increase the FOV and DE is apparently working on a patch that will add FOV adjustment. In any case, the brevity of the SP campaign means I wouldn't buy this at full-price. $30 sounds more reasonable, as I do enjoy the story and combat mechanics.
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