Fibrocyte wrote on Jan 14, 2012, 06:11:

Cutter wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 19:01:
The best thing about GW2 is that dickholes like you won't be there so it works out for everyone.

You're a special kind of dickhole when you think dickholes like you are better than dickholes like him.

You've entered ultra-moron mode, Cutter. Keep 'em coming!

You sure told him hyuk hyuk huhuhuhhuahah.

Cutter wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 19:01:
The best thing about GW2 is that dickholes like you won't be there so it works out for everyone.

You're a special kind of dickhole when you think dickholes like you are better than dickholes like him.

You've entered ultra-moron mode, Cutter. Keep 'em coming!

nin wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 22:20:

While politics has little to do with what MMO I enjoy or not, can you not admit Obama...

Fished in. You took the bait...

Hook line and sinker Nin, *shrug* I just think the guy's been a terrible leader. Leaders don't blame everyone else for failures. That's all Obozo has done since day 1.

While politics has little to do with what MMO I enjoy or not, can you not admit Obama...

Fished in. You took the bait...

Cutter wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 19:01:

RollinThundr wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 16:05:
GW2 is going in a different direction and actually sounds like it very well could be innovative in some ways. Still though GW fans pissing in TOR threads really isn't called for, not really pointing at you but it seems every time there's a TOR thread, Cutter feels the need to let everyone know just how great GW2 is. Personally I don't understand it, but hey whatever.

Free country isn't it? Oh right, you right-wing nutjobs only think that you should be free. For everyone else its 'do as I say, not as I do.' I guess SWTOR sucking is Obama's fault or the liberal media or something, right? The best thing about GW2 is that dickholes like you won't be there so it works out for everyone.

While politics has little to do with what MMO I enjoy or not, can you not admit Obama has done little to actually act on anything he promised his deluded followers? For all his talk of working with Republican's to balance the budget he's done the opposite, pushed a non constitutional health care bill through congress, took military action in Libya after whining about Iraq and Afghanistan. Unemployment is still through the roof. How's that hopey changy shit working out for ya?

TOR is fun imo, to each their own and all but you don't see me pissing in every GW2 thread, granted you tend to troll up Blue's on a regular basis anyway, I guess that's you're calling in life.

RollinThundr wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 16:05:
GW2 is going in a different direction and actually sounds like it very well could be innovative in some ways. Still though GW fans pissing in TOR threads really isn't called for, not really pointing at you but it seems every time there's a TOR thread, Cutter feels the need to let everyone know just how great GW2 is. Personally I don't understand it, but hey whatever.

Free country isn't it? Oh right, you right-wing nutjobs only think that you should be free. For everyone else its 'do as I say, not as I do.' I guess SWTOR sucking is Obama's fault or the liberal media or something, right? The best thing about GW2 is that dickholes like you won't be there so it works out for everyone.

SWTOR also reminds me of Age of Conan. The world is not open, it's a narrow linear path to the next area.

It does vary from zone to zone, but that's been a complaint of mine also.

And the auction house! Holy fuck, whoever came up with that interface needs to be fired, immediately. Oh all the things they try to emulate from WOW, how did they manage to take the AH design backwards?

One of the huge problems I had with SWTOR is that 99% of the monsters and NPCs stand in one spot and never move. Ever. They're not roaming around so it looks they are living creatures, they are animatronic displays slapped there to amuse you on your linear Disney-ride through content.

SWTOR also reminds me of Age of Conan. The world is not open, it's a narrow linear path to the next area.

Also, Rakghouls. Haha. Everyone on my server (Vulkar Highway) was complaining by the time they reached the end of the planet Taris. Jesus, please, make the Rakghouls stop, we're so tired of them. And then Bioware is like, LOOK! MOAR RAKGHOULS!

This comment was edited on Jan 13, 2012, 18:10.

Still though GW fans pissing in TOR threads really isn't called for

It is getting old.

Fion wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 14:40:
GW2 is removing the concept of 'end game' as it stands in MMOGs today by removing raiding entirely and making 'leveling' less than a strict linear path. Because you can de-level and be boosted in levels to do virtually any activity in the game, at any level, essentially the entire game is end game. You might be level 10 and get boosted to 80 for PvP or you might be 80 and get de-leveled to 30 when your guild gets together to do the Tequatl dragon's Dynamic Event chain. Likewise you might really like the look of the gear from dungeon A that is level 50. So you are de-leveled to about 53 and run the explorable mode (which is branching, has dynamic content within and is decidedly challenging). You run it several times and get the set of items, then work towards getting some transmutation stones to convert your 80 gear's stats to that new outfit.

So you see, the entire game is end game. And that doesn't mean there isn't anything to do at 80 either. Just like GW1 there is still a plethora of content to explore, your branching personal story to finish (I can say one thing about GW2's story over SWTORs, it can actually change based on the choices you make). There are guild and personal achievements to attain, that mean more than just wow style points. There are traits and elite skills to obtain. Elites require completion of their own individual activity, and some certainly will not be easy. Traits will work similarly, and they augment your characters abilities to make them your own.

So yea, no raiding in GW2. Instead they did what MMOGs probably should have done half a decade ago, make it so the game doesn't start or stop at cap, but rather make an MMOG where all content is potentially end game content.


Edit: on topic, I'm enjoying SWTOR a lot right now. I am rather 'over' themepark MMOGs as they stand today (WOW clones) and will almost certainly get bored FAST at 50. But I level slowly, my main is only lvl 29 atm and I've been playing since the 15th. In the end the game is an enjoyable hold over until The Secret World hits and I can decide if it's worth playing.

In the end though no matter what I'm playing, when GW2 comes out I'm jumping ship. The only way I won't is if the game bombs, if everything they've said about the game is a lie. But then again I already know it isn't. I've played the game, several hours of it in fact. PAX East was fun, had a lot of different things to do in the game and I got a really good taste of just how much of a leap forward the game really is, even right out of the gate at level 1.

So essentially there is raiding you just don't have to grind to max level to participate. Cool concept and I hope you enjoy your time in GW2.

Personally I'm enjoying ToR even though I'm very critical of the way Bioware's titles have been developed recently, I'm having fun with the game, playing with friends and that to me is what's important.

GW2 is going in a different direction and actually sounds like it very well could be innovative in some ways. Still though GW fans pissing in TOR threads really isn't called for, not really pointing at you but it seems every time there's a TOR thread, Cutter feels the need to let everyone know just how great GW2 is. Personally I don't understand it, but hey whatever.

Excellent post, Fion. And that is exactly why I'm stoked for GW2. The only thing I really enjoyed in the SWTOR beta was the shock collar on my slave and slapping her around. Now that was funny.

Fion wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 14:40:
So you see, the entire game is end game. And that doesn't mean there isn't anything to do at 80 either. Just like GW1 there is still a plethora of content to explore, your branching personal story to finish (I can say one thing about GW2's story over SWTORs, it can actually change based on the choices you make). There are guild and personal achievements to attain, that mean more than just wow style points. There are traits and elite skills to obtain. Elites require completion of their own individual activity, and some certainly will not be easy. Traits will work similarly, and they augment your characters abilities to make them your own.

So yea, no raiding in GW2. Instead they did what MMOGs probably should have done half a decade ago, make it so the game doesn't start or stop at cap, but rather make an MMOG where all content is potentially end game content.

Not to detract from anything you stated, but I do want to mention some things with regard to this. Firstly, SWTOR has up-leveling for PVP, and Champions Online has down-leveling for PVE (sidekick mode), and considering they use the same engine I imagine the latter may be doable in SWTOR at some point. I'd also like to add that there have been MMO conventions in the past to get rid of endgame (AA in EQ, for example). The only thing I see GW2 bringing to the table that's new is the DE, which to be honest I'm not sold on until I see it in working action. Otherwise, though, I agree in hoping these ideas become standards in the industry.

GW2 is removing the concept of 'end game' as it stands in MMOGs today by removing raiding entirely and making 'leveling' less than a strict linear path. Because you can de-level and be boosted in levels to do virtually any activity in the game, at any level, essentially the entire game is end game. You might be level 10 and get boosted to 80 for PvP or you might be 80 and get de-leveled to 30 when your guild gets together to do the Tequatl dragon's Dynamic Event chain. Likewise you might really like the look of the gear from dungeon A that is level 50. So you are de-leveled to about 53 and run the explorable mode (which is branching, has dynamic content within and is decidedly challenging). You run it several times and get the set of items, then work towards getting some transmutation stones to convert your 80 gear's stats to that new outfit.

So you see, the entire game is end game. And that doesn't mean there isn't anything to do at 80 either. Just like GW1 there is still a plethora of content to explore, your branching personal story to finish (I can say one thing about GW2's story over SWTORs, it can actually change based on the choices you make). There are guild and personal achievements to attain, that mean more than just wow style points. There are traits and elite skills to obtain. Elites require completion of their own individual activity, and some certainly will not be easy. Traits will work similarly, and they augment your characters abilities to make them your own.

So yea, no raiding in GW2. Instead they did what MMOGs probably should have done half a decade ago, make it so the game doesn't start or stop at cap, but rather make an MMOG where all content is potentially end game content.


Edit: on topic, I'm enjoying SWTOR a lot right now. I am rather 'over' themepark MMOGs as they stand today (WOW clones) and will almost certainly get bored FAST at 50. But I level slowly, my main is only lvl 29 atm and I've been playing since the 15th. In the end the game is an enjoyable hold over until The Secret World hits and I can decide if it's worth playing.

In the end though no matter what I'm playing, when GW2 comes out I'm jumping ship. The only way I won't is if the game bombs, if everything they've said about the game is a lie. But then again I already know it isn't. I've played the game, several hours of it in fact. PAX East was fun, had a lot of different things to do in the game and I got a really good taste of just how much of a leap forward the game really is, even right out of the gate at level 1.

This comment was edited on Jan 13, 2012, 14:49.

Alamar wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 12:22:

Jonny wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 04:51:
...GW2 are all expanding what they offer for people to do at endgame.

Could you elaborate on this? Maybe there's been an announcement I missed (could be, been busy playing SWTOR), but GW2 has less endgame than just about any massive I've looked at... In the last 8 or so years...

I was thinking about the Dynamic Events system: http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/dynamic-events/dynamic-events-overview/

No Raids, just dynamically generated events from solo up to guild size. I don't know if they'll pull it off or not, but it sounds interesting and a change from Raids/Instances/BGs.

I actually enjoyed playing TOR, until I hit 50. Then I rolled an alt and I'm enjoying it again, until I hit 50 again probably. With such an emphasis on solo play, storytelling and individual instances I was just surprised there's nothing like it at 50 and no upcoming plans to add anything other than operations, flashpoints or warzones.

Jonny wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 04:51:
...GW2 are all expanding what they offer for people to do at endgame.

Could you elaborate on this? Maybe there's been an announcement I missed (could be, been busy playing SWTOR), but GW2 has less endgame than just about any massive I've looked at... In the last 8 or so years...

Silicon Avatar wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 10:34:
I like how they padded 30 seconds worth of branding and logos into a video that is really about 65 seconds long.

This has always been a pet peeve of mine as well... And a step beyond that... 'teaser trailers' with all the marketing crap... even less for more : )

-Alamar

This comment was edited on Jan 13, 2012, 13:06.

At this point I'm really enjoying the game, and I really thought I'd hate it. The MMO burnout thing had set in. Maybe it's the single player aspect or just new areas... I dunno. What I do know is I'm enjoying logging in, playing both my story and the grouping. I'm also looking forward to playing a few alts on both factions.

There are bugs, and some issues that I'll either have to adapt to or give up on (ability delay), but it's early.

Of course, end game will be what keeps me subscribing for long periods. We'll see.

Well done so far.

I like how they padded 30 seconds worth of branding and logos into a video that is really about 65 seconds long.

Veterator wrote on Jan 13, 2012, 07:04:
Actually companions are replacements for the mechanic they used to advertise where people could switch out their roles and become healers/tanks at the push of a button.

"Dual Speccing is something we want to add soon after launch."

Damn was hoping for a juggernaut overhaul - I'm tempted to reroll as it seems their last pick for tanking Ops but I have a lot of time invested.

1-49 very similar to Bioware singleplayer RPGs, 50 bog standard MMO raid or die. Got that? It wasn't a complicated concept.

As for complaining about a comparison to WoW, it's the market leader. I'm well aware it didn't invent the concepts it uses.

This comment was edited on Jan 13, 2012, 09:43.