CD Projekt RED Ceasing Witcher 2 Piracy Witch Hunt

CD Projekt announces it is now the official distributor for Codemasters in Poland. On a slightly related note, Rock, Paper, Shotgun has a statement from CD Projekt RED saying they are ceasing the recently revealed process of directly contacting file-sharers they suspect of pirating The Witcher 2, in spite of their confidence in the infallibility of such accusations. While continuing to decry piracy, this open letter from CD Projekt RED co-founder Marcin Iwinski says they have heard gamer's concerns, and that these direct contacts will cease immediately:
An Open Letter to the Gaming Community from CD Projekt RED

In early December, an article was published about a law firm acting on behalf of CD Projekt RED, contacting individuals who had downloaded The Witcher 2 illegally and seeking financial compensation for copyright infringement. The news about our decision to combat piracy directly, instead of with DRM, spread quickly and with it came a number of concerns from the community. Repeatedly, gamers just like you have said that our methods might wrongly accuse people who have never violated our copyright and expressed serious concern about our actions.

Being part of a community is a give-and-take process. We only succeed because you have faith in us, and we have worked hard over the years to build up that trust. We were sorry to see that many gamers felt that our actions didn’t respect the faith that they have put into CD Projekt RED. Our fans always have been and remain our greatest concern, and we pride ourselves on the fact that you all know that we listen to you and take your opinions to heart. While we are confident that no one who legally owns one of our games has been required to compensate us for copyright infringement, we value our fans, our supporters, and our community too highly to take the chance that we might ever falsely accuse even one individual.

So we’ve decided that we will immediately cease identifying and contacting pirates.

Let’s make this clear: we don’t support piracy. It hurts us, the developers. It hurts the industry as a whole. Though we are staunch opponents of DRM because we don’t believe it has any effect on reducing piracy, we still do not condone copying games illegally. We’re doing our part to keep our relationship with you, our gaming audience, a positive one. We’ve heard your concerns, listened to your voices, and we’re responding to them. But you need to help us and do your part: don’t be indifferent to piracy. If you see a friend playing an illegal copy of a game–any game–tell your friend that they’re undermining the possible success of the developer who created the very game that they are enjoying. Unless you support the developers who make the games you play, unless you pay for those games, we won’t be able to produce new excellent titles for you.

Keep on playing,

Marcin Iwinski
co-founder
CD Projekt RED
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Jan 12, 2012, 11:33
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Jan 12, 2012, 11:33
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I wonder if this means current litigations will cease, or only that they won't start any more. Despite the fact that I believe an excellent dev of an excellent series like The Witcher deserves to be paid, I was strongly opposed to their actions with regards to pursuing pirates.
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Jan 12, 2012, 11:37
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Jan 12, 2012, 11:37
 
At least they're listening. Witcher 2 was one of the few games I actually played from start to finish. Can't wait for #3 or whatever they work on next.
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Jan 12, 2012, 11:46
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Frijoles wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 11:37:
At least they're listening. Witcher 2 was one of the few games I actually played from start to finish. Can't wait for #3 or whatever they work on next.

This is why I buy their games, they are a good decent developer that deservers supporting. Good for you CD Projekt!! Glad to see that they came to their senses.
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Jan 12, 2012, 11:59
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Whole thing seems rather odd. At least it appears it's over now.

Unless you support the developers who make the games you play, unless you pay for those games, we won’t be able to produce new excellent titles for you.

Very simple and to the point. I hope it sticks with their customers.

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Jan 12, 2012, 12:21
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Jan 12, 2012, 12:21
 
Kinda shocked at some peoples attitude. They didn't use DRM that effects legit customers. They go after individuals in a way that doesn't effect legit users and people still complain. Do they not have a right to defend their software and business at all without catching shit from the masses? They need to be very thorough when making their accusations, but the masses should bud the fuck out when it comes to CD Projekt defending their property* that doesn't effect legit customers.

Edit: * spelling

This comment was edited on Jan 12, 2012, 14:43.
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Jan 12, 2012, 12:22
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Jan 12, 2012, 12:22
 
"Unless you support the developers who make the games you play, unless you pay for those games, we won’t be able to produce new excellent titles for you" - Brilliant!

CD Project has my money and will get more of it as long as they will continue with the solid work, the fact that they are listening to their customers is big and mind blasting!
Not many dev teams do that: I'm looking at you Id, Bethesda and EA!!

Keep up the good work folks!!

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Jan 12, 2012, 12:24
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Krovven wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 12:21:
Kinda shocked at some peoples attitude. They didn't use DRM that effects legit customers. They go after individuals in a way that doesn't effect legit users and people still complain. Do they not have a right to defend their software and business at all without catching shit from the masses? They need to be very thorough when making their accusations, but the masses should bud the fuck out when it comes to CD Projekt defending their properly that doesn't effect legit customers.



Well said budzkies! Wordlife
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Jan 12, 2012, 12:40
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Re: CD Projekt RED Ceasing Witcher 2 Piracy Witch Hunt Jan 12, 2012, 12:40
Jan 12, 2012, 12:40
 
Prez wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 11:33:
I wonder if this means current litigations will cease, or only that they won't start any more. Despite the fact that I believe an excellent dev of an excellent series like The Witcher deserves to be paid, I was strongly opposed to their actions with regards to pursuing pirates.

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Jan 12, 2012, 12:54
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Re: CD Projekt RED Ceasing Witcher 2 Piracy Witch Hunt Jan 12, 2012, 12:54
Jan 12, 2012, 12:54
 
I didn't really care what they did to pirates, though I had grave misgivings about their "We're 100% accurate" claims.

That said, I'm glad they are willing to listen to their fanbase/customers.

Here's to many more years, and many more games, CD Projekt! Cheers

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Jan 12, 2012, 13:21
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though I had grave misgivings about their "We're 100% accurate" claims.

I think that was a concern for a lot of people.

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Jan 12, 2012, 13:39
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Re: CD Projekt RED Ceasing Witcher 2 Piracy Witch Hunt Jan 12, 2012, 13:39
Jan 12, 2012, 13:39
 
Those "torrent IP address" witch hunts have too great a chance at either coming up empty, or false accusations. We don't really need another 50 stories about computer-less grandmothers in Uganda getting slammed for supposedly downloading a torrent. Trying to stop piracy after the fact is really too late in the process.

Use always-on DRM if you must. Sure, people will gripe about even that... but if you do not have high-speed always-on internet these days, you're probably not in possession of a modern gaming PC anyhow. These things tend to go hand in hand.

People will always moan and groan about any method you choose... but they'll also get over it when they realize they're connected to the net 99% of the time their PC is on, anyway.
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Jan 12, 2012, 14:01
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Jan 12, 2012, 14:01
 
Doombringer wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 13:39:
Use always-on DRM if you must. Sure, people will gripe about even that... but if you do not have high-speed always-on internet these days, you're probably not in possession of a modern gaming PC anyhow. These things tend to go hand in hand.
Tell that to people in the midwest. There are still large swaths in the US where there are no options for high speed internet.

Not to mention LAN parties. I think 2 of the 100 or so I have been to have had internet. I mean really, its a *LAN PARTY*.
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Jan 12, 2012, 14:06
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Jan 12, 2012, 14:06
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And what happens when those servers go down?

Remember people not being able to play Spore? Or Assasin's Creed? Or Bionic Commando Rearmed?
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Jan 12, 2012, 14:12
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Rob wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:06:
And what happens when those servers go down?

Remember people not being able to play Spore? Or Assasin's Creed? Or Bionic Commando Rearmed?


And we've come full circle! Everyone back to the "Diablo III in February" thread!

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Jan 12, 2012, 14:16
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Jan 12, 2012, 14:16
 
nin wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:12:
Rob wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:06:
And what happens when those servers go down?

Remember people not being able to play Spore? Or Assasin's Creed? Or Bionic Commando Rearmed?


And we've come full circle! Everyone back to the "Diablo III in February" thread!


It will function exactly as MMOs have for 2 decades now. Occasional outage, miniscule inconvenience, thunderous fist-shaking, and then people will get back to their digital crack a few minutes later.

I'm sure they've learned a lot from WoW and can manage to support persistent servers in a more than reasonable fasion.

More OT, this is an insult to the term "witch hunt". Unlike piracy, witches aren't real. And the standard test for determining whether ot not someone has illegally distributed copyrighted material is not 'toss them in a body of water and see if they fail to drown'.
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Jan 12, 2012, 14:51
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Now if only the pr0n companies would stop their fishing expedition lawsuits... But nope, they won't as long as they remain profitable. The way it is now they can extort more money out of people than they'd ever get if they were paying members for 20 years. And even if you're completely innocent, it'd generally cost more (and suck away more of your life, and risk social/career repercussions) to fight it than to just settle. Weeee!
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Jan 12, 2012, 15:33
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Ruffiana wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:16:
nin wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:12:
Rob wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:06:
And what happens when those servers go down?

Remember people not being able to play Spore? Or Assasin's Creed? Or Bionic Commando Rearmed?


And we've come full circle! Everyone back to the "Diablo III in February" thread!


It will function exactly as MMOs have for 2 decades now. Occasional outage, miniscule inconvenience, thunderous fist-shaking, and then people will get back to their digital crack a few minutes later.

More OT, this is an insult to the term "witch hunt". Unlike piracy, witches aren't real. And the standard test for determining whether ot not someone has illegally distributed copyrighted material is not 'toss them in a body of water and see if they fail to drown'.
But these are not MMO's. They have no solid need for constant internet access. Yes I know you need internet for multiplayer (duh) but why the hell do I need a constant internet connection (or even one at launch) for a single player/the single player portion of a game?

Also it is like the witch hunts of a time long past. They are searching for people and prosecuting them for something they have little (if any) solid proof of.
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Jan 12, 2012, 16:28
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Jan 12, 2012, 16:28
 
necrosis wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 15:33:
Ruffiana wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:16:
nin wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:12:
Rob wrote on Jan 12, 2012, 14:06:
And what happens when those servers go down?

Remember people not being able to play Spore? Or Assasin's Creed? Or Bionic Commando Rearmed?


And we've come full circle! Everyone back to the "Diablo III in February" thread!


It will function exactly as MMOs have for 2 decades now. Occasional outage, miniscule inconvenience, thunderous fist-shaking, and then people will get back to their digital crack a few minutes later.

More OT, this is an insult to the term "witch hunt". Unlike piracy, witches aren't real. And the standard test for determining whether ot not someone has illegally distributed copyrighted material is not 'toss them in a body of water and see if they fail to drown'.
But these are not MMO's. They have no solid need for constant internet access. Yes I know you need internet for multiplayer (duh) but why the hell do I need a constant internet connection (or even one at launch) for a single player/the single player portion of a game?

Also it is like the witch hunts of a time long past. They are searching for people and prosecuting them for something they have little (if any) solid proof of.

It's a semantics arguement. A great deal of the time, MMOs are played exactly like single player games. ArenaNet took the Diablo II battlenet model, made one minor tweak to it, and launched a genuine MMO game.

Just because something isn't required for every aspect of a game does not mean it will fail. Requiring a persistent online connection for gameplay is what MMOs have been doing for a long time. It's when single-player developers jump blindly into this structure that things go tit's up. But Blizzard has a ton of experience with it and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they can provide a smooth, stable online experience for Diablo III.

Don't like it, then don't buy it. The market will undoubtedly be there without you.
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Jan 12, 2012, 16:47
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Jan 12, 2012, 16:47
 Prez
 
Krovven wrote on Jan 12, 2012,:
They need to be very thorough when making their accusations, but the masses should bud the fuck out when it comes to CD Projekt defending their property* that doesn't effect legit customers.

Edit: * spelling

Completely disagree. I want CD Projekt to be paid every penny they have coming to them, but just as importantly I don't want them suing their fanbase into oblivion and creating an RIAA/MPAA- sized backlash that turns a huge segment of the market against them. That's a loss for CD Projekt, and a loss for customers like you and me who love them because it hurts their future viability and ability to make games.

Almost as big a concern to me as them suing someone wrongly is the concern that I have that they will sue someone who made the right decision by paying for it after they pirated it. Whether or not you agree with practice, it is commonplace among gamers for any number of reasons (some more valid the others) and CD Projekt's former behavior is wholly counterproductive and works in direct contravention of far better and proven methods of combatting piracy. There's such a fine line between pirate and customer that such a drastic coarse of action as suing people expressing interest in your game (even if that interest starts out as "stealing) is akin to using a shotgun to swat flies. Other industries have tried the "stick" to terrible results. It doesn't work. Far better to use the carrot.

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Jan 12, 2012, 16:52
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Jan 12, 2012, 16:52
 
I'm actually sorry that they had to deal with this.
A company respects it's consumers enough to not include DRM or any anti-piracy measures, and people (who are usually the ones that cry "it's got DRM, I'm going to download it to teach them a lesson") still pirate it.

Personally, I'm glad I waited...picked it up on the steam christmas sale, supporting a good company I have respect for, and hope they got more sales because of their policy.

If there was a way to confirm the pirates 100%, go get em!
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