Op Ed

Kotaku - Nerds and Male Privilege.
The idea that perhaps the way women are portrayed in fandom is aleetle sexist is regularly met with denials, justifications and outright dismissal of the issue. So regularly, in fact, that there's a Bingo card covering the most common responses. Part of the notion of male privilege in fandom is that nothing is wrong with fandom and that suggestions that it might benefit from some diversity is treated as a threat.

But what is that threat, exactly?

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Draugr:
Yes, Priveledge can play out in several ways. You can be privileged in one area and not have privilege in another.

Sure and there's an overall average of just how "privileged" a group of people are supposedly.

Draugr:
These cherry-picked statistics aren't really indicative of privilege, and doesn't provide all the information, so it paints a skewed picture.

It are statistical facts which shows that men in various major facets of society are generally not "privileged" compared to women on average. In fact the opposite is the case.

Draugr:
for example, he could have included in his listing of stats that One in Four college women(25%) report surviving rape or attempted rape since their fourteenth birthday compared to males at 3%
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That's the old 1 in 4 rape myth.

1. Myth: One in four women in college has been the victim of rape or attempted rape.

Fact: This mother of all factoids is based on a fallacious feminist study commissioned by Ms. magazine. The researcher, Mary Koss, hand-picked by hard-line feminist Gloria Steinem, acknowledges that 73 percent of the young women she counted as rape victims were not aware they had been raped. Forty-three percent of them were dating their "attacker" again.

Rape is a uniquely horrible crime. That is why we need sober and responsible research. Women will not be helped by hyperbole and hysteria. Truth is no enemy of compassion, and falsehood is no friend.

(Nara Schoenberg and Sam Roe, "The Making of an Epidemic," Toledo Blade, October 10, 1993; and Neil Gilbert, "Examining the Facts: Advocacy Research Overstates the Incidence of Data and Acquaintance Rape," Current Controversies in Family Violence eds. Richard Gelles and Donileen Loseke, Newbury Park, CA.: Sage Publications, 1993, pp.120-132; and Campus Crime and Security, Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Education, 1997. *According to this study, campus police reported 1,310 forcible sex offenses on U.S. campuses in one year. That works out to an average of fewer than one rape per campus.)

http://deltabravo.net/custody/tenmyths.php

Draugr:
(on a side note did you know that women can be punished for being raped in some countries,) but then he wouldn't get a pretty post where everything listed is there solely to support his argument, providing an illusion of validity to his argument. The numbers don't tell the whole story, and all the numbers aren't even there.

You forget to mention male rape in warzones that is still sorely neglected even by the United Nations, where male rape victims have nowhere to turn to.

The rape of men

Will Storr
The Observer, Sunday 17 July 2011

Sexual violence is one of the most horrific weapons of war, an instrument of terror used against women. Yet huge numbers of men are also victims. In this harrowing report, Will Storr travels to Uganda to meet traumatised survivors, and reveals how male rape is endemic in many of the world's conflicts

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It's not just in East Africa that these stories remain unheard. One of the few academics to have looked into the issue in any detail is Lara Stemple, of the University of California's Health and Human Rights Law Project. Her study Male Rape and Human Rights notes incidents of male sexual violence as a weapon of wartime or political aggression in countries such as Chile, Greece, Croatia, Iran, Kuwait, the former Soviet Union and the former Yugoslavia. Twenty-one per cent of Sri Lankan males who were seen at a London torture treatment centre reported sexual abuse while in detention. In El Salvador, 76% of male political prisoners surveyed in the 1980s described at least one incidence of sexual torture. A study of 6,000 concentration-camp inmates in Sarajevo found that 80% of men reported having been raped.

Or that a very large percentage of rape allegations are false, and require little to no evidence at all, but can ruin an innocent man's reputation, family, career, and life. Where the accused must prove his innocence, and is often considered guilty until proven innocent. Despite the horrible implications, false accusers still often get away unpunished or with a slap on the wrist.

False Accusations: The Scientific Evidence

Kanin, Eugene J., Ph.D. "False Rape Allegations." Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1 (1994), pp 81-92. (Peer reviewed journal)
ABSTRACT:
With the cooperation of the police agency of a small metropolitan community, 45 consecutive, disposed, false rape allegations covering a 9 year period were studied. These false rape allegations constitute 41% the total forcible rape cases (n= 109) reported during this period. These false allegations appear to serve three major functions for the complainants: providing an alibi, seeking revenge, and obtaining sympathy and attention. False rape allegations are not the consequence of a gender-linked aberration, as frequently claimed, but reflect impulsive and desperate efforts to cope with personal and social stress situations.

McDowell, Charles P., Ph.D. "False Allegations." Forensic Science Digest, (publication of the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations), Vol. 11, No. 4 (December 1985), p. 64.
The study found that 60% of rape allegations are false. The study of 548 allegations was only undertaken after it was noticed that 20% of accusers later admitted they had lied. The researchers did not intially believe the 60% result and conducted two follow-up studies. The 60% finding held but political interference prevented publication.

Kakadabse, A., Kakabadse, N. (2004) Intimacy: International Survey of the Sex Lives of People at Work, Palgrave.
This international study of sexual behaviour found that the majority (over 50%) of sexual harassment claims are false.

Believe Her! The Woman Never Lies Myth, Frank S. Zepezauer, IPT
ABSTRACT: Empirical evidence does not support the widespread belief that women are extremely unlikely to make false accusations of male sexual misconduct. Rather the research on accusations of rape, sexual harassment, incest, and child sexual abuse indicates that false accusations have become a serious problem. The motivations involved in making a false report are widely varied and include confusion, outside influence from therapists and others, habitual lying, advantages in custody disputes, financial gain, and the political ideology of radical feminism.

Philip N.S. Rumney, False Allegations of Rape. The Cambridge Law Journal (2006), 65: 128-158 Cambridge University Press
THERE can be little doubt that the spectre of false rape allegations has significantly influenced the development of legal doctrine and its enforcement. The fear of false allegations has been used to justify evidential rules in cases involving sexual offences such as the corroboration warning, the retention of the marital rape immunity and continues to influence police and prosecutorial decision-making.

Or the fact that there are more men raped in U.S. prisons than non-incarcerated women.

According to Human Rights Watch, at least 140,000 inmates are raped each year,[1] and there is a significant variation in the rates of prison rape by race. Stop Prisoner Rape, Inc. statistics indicate that there are more men raped in U.S. prisons than non-incarcerated women similarly assaulted. They estimate that young men are five times more likely to be attacked; and that the prison rape victims are ten times more likely to contract a deadly disease.

^ Mariner, Joanne (2001). "No Escape - Male Rape in U.S. Prisons". Human Rights Watch. pp. I. Summary and Recommendations. Retrieved 2007-11-30.


Draugr:
What they left out of these statisics is that women are paid less for doing the same work men do.

This is another old "less pay for the same work" myth which has been debunked many times. Example:

Warren Farrel - Wage Gap Myth Warren Farrel explains why the Wage Gap is nothing but a Myth

Gender pay gap down to women's lifestyle choices

Catherine Hakim She said: “In Britain half of all women in senior positions are child free and a lot more of them have nominal families with a single child and they subcontract out the work of caring for them to other women.”
In the report – called Feminist Myths and Magic Medicine - she said: “Equal opportunities policies have succeeded in giving equal access for women to the labour market.

“People are confusing equal opportunities with equal outcomes, and there is little popular support for the kind of social engineering being demanded by feminists and legislators.”


And:

Department of Labor: Gender Wage Gap a Myth

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.



Draugr:
More women than men being employed is a result of the failing economy and stems from companies knowing they can get away with this, they are inclined to hire women instead of men or lay off male workers instead of women.

Companies cannot get away with that, they could be sued for huge sums of money, and it also makes no sense at all, because if women did the exact same amount of work, worked similar amount of hours during their lives at companies, studies the same majors etc and cost less, then companies have no reason to hire male employees, if they cost more for the same work.

they are inclined to hire women instead of men or lay off male workers instead of women. If we looked at employment stats before the economy started taking a dump you would actually see that more men than women were employed then. They also leave out that men are more likely to be hired for higher-paying jobs. You'd be a fool to think that women don't have privilege as well,

Draugr:
but you'd also be a fool to think that men also don't have privilege, and that in a patriarchal society, due to history, male privilege tends to be more readily apparent, and prevalent.

The "patriarchy" is another strawman. There is no patriarchy to speak of in western countries. Men die 5 years earlier than women on average, most are homeless, most war casualties are men, most work deaths are men too. There is no fantasy "patriarchy". And throughout history women were a protected and provided for class by men who were tasked to provide at all cost and even sacrifice their lives if necessary.

There's various health departments for women, coalition for women and girls. Where are the male equivalents? Why is there no national coalition for men and boys? And still you believe in the fantasy that men are privileged lmao.

Draugr:
Of course, the article you quoted had a classic dismissal of feminism as calling them all emotional, Because we all know how women are, right?!

You dismiss statistics with such an abstract interpretation and accusation to discredit it says more about how ignorant you are than anything else.

Draugr:
Also, I don't see what was hate filled propaganda about the article,

It's littered with lopsided views, and flawed stereotypes of male games, and fallacies of "male privilege". While ignoring the other side of the equation such as how many male game characters are overtly handsome, muscular, strong, and the role of villains is of course mostly male characters etc.

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