Op Ed

Kotaku - Nerds and Male Privilege.
The idea that perhaps the way women are portrayed in fandom is aleetle sexist is regularly met with denials, justifications and outright dismissal of the issue. So regularly, in fact, that there's a Bingo card covering the most common responses. Part of the notion of male privilege in fandom is that nothing is wrong with fandom and that suggestions that it might benefit from some diversity is treated as a threat.

But what is that threat, exactly?

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Quboid wrote on Dec 19, 2011, 06:57:
It's rather hard to take that report seriously when it describes breast cancer as female specific. Female dominated, yes, but not specific. Why not ovarian cancer? Maybe not as convenient to their point?

Breasts cancer mostly affects women yes, but also some men. And there's been recent cases where male breast cancer victims cannot receive treatment, because they are male!

Man With Breast Cancer Denied Medicaid Coverage Because He's Not a Woman

For Raymond Johnson it was bad enough being diagnosed with cancer when he was just 26 and with no health insurance, but his shock was only aggravated when he was denied Medicaid, because rules say men are not covered for breast cancer.

Yes ovarian cancer is also an issue, same is testicular cancer which is not covered there. And again breast cancer receives much more funding, publicity (pink ribbon) than prostate cancer while the amount of deaths caused by that are similar.

There are at least 7 new agencies and departments devoted solely to women while there is not one office for men or male specific ailments.

Men’s health advocates long have pushed for an Office of Men’s Health to act as a companion to the Office on Women’s Health, established in 1991. Instead of rectifying that disparity, the new health care law intensified it.

Diana Furchtgott-Roth, a senior fellow at Hudson Institute, has been critical of Obama’s gender policies, charging that his administration has pushed initiatives that favor women over men. According to Roth, the health care bill was no different.

“[The women’s] lobby is very well funded, active and vocal. It is really paradoxical because women in many ways are doing better than men, so for example, if you do a search in the health care bill there is not one mention of ‘prostate’ and are over 40 mentions of ‘breast’ and men are tax payers, they should get equal health treatment,” Roth told The Daily Caller


Link

Quboid:
FWIW, I think men have a generally greater range in life, more risks, more rewards.

Men generally take more risks in life, most fail, few make it big such as Bill Gates.

Quboid:
it does mean men have more control over their life, for better or worse.

Men and women have just as much "control" over their lives and decisions, but men are usually left to fend for themselves, while women can more often call upon the help from others to protect and support them when necessary.

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Re: Op Ed
Dec 19, 2011, 07:15
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Dec 19, 2011, 07:15
 
Way too much bullshit to worry about, so I'll just pick a few good examples...

The "patriarchy" is another strawman. There is no patriarchy to speak of in western countries. Men die 5 years earlier than women on average, most are homeless, most war casualties are men, most work deaths are men too. There is no fantasy "patriarchy". And throughout history women were a protected and provided for class by men who were tasked to provide at all cost and even sacrifice their lives if necessary.

What's the percentage of men vs women in top government positions? What's the percentage of men vs women in top executive positions? In both cases, men outnumber the women by a significant margin. To have the majority of positions of power occupied by men, and then claim there's no "patriarchy" is incredibly foolish. Historically, of course, it was much worse, as evidenced by the fact that property passed to male offspring first via inheritance, as did ruling lines, and suchforth. So we've got better on that front, certainly, but we're far from equality.

There's various health departments for women, coalition for women and girls. Where are the male equivalents? Why is there no national coalition for men and boys? And still you believe in the fantasy that men are privileged lmao.

This is funny. It reminds me of kids asking "Why do we have Father's Day and Mother's Day, but no 'Kids' Day?". The reason we have various coalitions and agencies that deal specifically with women is because the "general" equivalent agencies tended to focus on men. If the agencies had been gender neutral, there'd be no need for anything women specific. Sadly, that wasn't the case.

While ignoring the other side of the equation such as how many male game characters are overtly handsome, muscular, strong

The reason that male characters are such is because that's the way men want to be perceived. They don't design their male characters for women, they design them for men. Which only makes sense, because again, men are their target audience (in most cases).
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 19, 2011, 07:03
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Dec 19, 2011, 07:03
 
Thanks morga, good link. I knew there were male specific issues, I just didn't know which.

Not that feminism should be disregarded. I do not agree with the stereotype of "man hating feminist", it's just unhelpful and dismissive. Both sides have their points and neither should take priority. An equal society is better for all. Clearly my comment is far too late and level headed to influence the conversation though.

I'm sure there are women hating "mens rights" people, arising simply as a reaction to feeling threatened by "womens rights", which is silly. I'm sure "female supremacists" exist but they are blown out of all proportion by the media which loves to sell these stories, as they make us angry.

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Re: Op Ed
Dec 19, 2011, 06:57
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Dec 19, 2011, 06:57
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It's rather hard to take that report seriously when it describes breast cancer as female specific. Female dominated, yes, but not specific. Why not ovarian cancer? Maybe not as convenient to their point?

FWIW, I think men have a generally greater range in life, more risks, more rewards. This doesn't mean men have it better, but it does mean men have more control over their life, for better or worse.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 19, 2011, 06:50
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Draugr:
Yes, Priveledge can play out in several ways. You can be privileged in one area and not have privilege in another.

Sure and there's an overall average of just how "privileged" a group of people are supposedly.

Draugr:
These cherry-picked statistics aren't really indicative of privilege, and doesn't provide all the information, so it paints a skewed picture.

It are statistical facts which shows that men in various major facets of society are generally not "privileged" compared to women on average. In fact the opposite is the case.

Draugr:
for example, he could have included in his listing of stats that One in Four college women(25%) report surviving rape or attempted rape since their fourteenth birthday compared to males at 3%
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That's the old 1 in 4 rape myth.

1. Myth: One in four women in college has been the victim of rape or attempted rape.

Fact: This mother of all factoids is based on a fallacious feminist study commissioned by Ms. magazine. The researcher, Mary Koss, hand-picked by hard-line feminist Gloria Steinem, acknowledges that 73 percent of the young women she counted as rape victims were not aware they had been raped. Forty-three percent of them were dating their "attacker" again.

Rape is a uniquely horrible crime. That is why we need sober and responsible research. Women will not be helped by hyperbole and hysteria. Truth is no enemy of compassion, and falsehood is no friend.

(Nara Schoenberg and Sam Roe, "The Making of an Epidemic," Toledo Blade, October 10, 1993; and Neil Gilbert, "Examining the Facts: Advocacy Research Overstates the Incidence of Data and Acquaintance Rape," Current Controversies in Family Violence eds. Richard Gelles and Donileen Loseke, Newbury Park, CA.: Sage Publications, 1993, pp.120-132; and Campus Crime and Security, Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Education, 1997. *According to this study, campus police reported 1,310 forcible sex offenses on U.S. campuses in one year. That works out to an average of fewer than one rape per campus.)

http://deltabravo.net/custody/tenmyths.php

Draugr:
(on a side note did you know that women can be punished for being raped in some countries,) but then he wouldn't get a pretty post where everything listed is there solely to support his argument, providing an illusion of validity to his argument. The numbers don't tell the whole story, and all the numbers aren't even there.

You forget to mention male rape in warzones that is still sorely neglected even by the United Nations, where male rape victims have nowhere to turn to.

The rape of men

Will Storr
The Observer, Sunday 17 July 2011

Sexual violence is one of the most horrific weapons of war, an instrument of terror used against women. Yet huge numbers of men are also victims. In this harrowing report, Will Storr travels to Uganda to meet traumatised survivors, and reveals how male rape is endemic in many of the world's conflicts

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It's not just in East Africa that these stories remain unheard. One of the few academics to have looked into the issue in any detail is Lara Stemple, of the University of California's Health and Human Rights Law Project. Her study Male Rape and Human Rights notes incidents of male sexual violence as a weapon of wartime or political aggression in countries such as Chile, Greece, Croatia, Iran, Kuwait, the former Soviet Union and the former Yugoslavia. Twenty-one per cent of Sri Lankan males who were seen at a London torture treatment centre reported sexual abuse while in detention. In El Salvador, 76% of male political prisoners surveyed in the 1980s described at least one incidence of sexual torture. A study of 6,000 concentration-camp inmates in Sarajevo found that 80% of men reported having been raped.

Or that a very large percentage of rape allegations are false, and require little to no evidence at all, but can ruin an innocent man's reputation, family, career, and life. Where the accused must prove his innocence, and is often considered guilty until proven innocent. Despite the horrible implications, false accusers still often get away unpunished or with a slap on the wrist.

False Accusations: The Scientific Evidence

Kanin, Eugene J., Ph.D. "False Rape Allegations." Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1 (1994), pp 81-92. (Peer reviewed journal)
ABSTRACT:
With the cooperation of the police agency of a small metropolitan community, 45 consecutive, disposed, false rape allegations covering a 9 year period were studied. These false rape allegations constitute 41% the total forcible rape cases (n= 109) reported during this period. These false allegations appear to serve three major functions for the complainants: providing an alibi, seeking revenge, and obtaining sympathy and attention. False rape allegations are not the consequence of a gender-linked aberration, as frequently claimed, but reflect impulsive and desperate efforts to cope with personal and social stress situations.

McDowell, Charles P., Ph.D. "False Allegations." Forensic Science Digest, (publication of the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations), Vol. 11, No. 4 (December 1985), p. 64.
The study found that 60% of rape allegations are false. The study of 548 allegations was only undertaken after it was noticed that 20% of accusers later admitted they had lied. The researchers did not intially believe the 60% result and conducted two follow-up studies. The 60% finding held but political interference prevented publication.

Kakadabse, A., Kakabadse, N. (2004) Intimacy: International Survey of the Sex Lives of People at Work, Palgrave.
This international study of sexual behaviour found that the majority (over 50%) of sexual harassment claims are false.

Believe Her! The Woman Never Lies Myth, Frank S. Zepezauer, IPT
ABSTRACT: Empirical evidence does not support the widespread belief that women are extremely unlikely to make false accusations of male sexual misconduct. Rather the research on accusations of rape, sexual harassment, incest, and child sexual abuse indicates that false accusations have become a serious problem. The motivations involved in making a false report are widely varied and include confusion, outside influence from therapists and others, habitual lying, advantages in custody disputes, financial gain, and the political ideology of radical feminism.

Philip N.S. Rumney, False Allegations of Rape. The Cambridge Law Journal (2006), 65: 128-158 Cambridge University Press
THERE can be little doubt that the spectre of false rape allegations has significantly influenced the development of legal doctrine and its enforcement. The fear of false allegations has been used to justify evidential rules in cases involving sexual offences such as the corroboration warning, the retention of the marital rape immunity and continues to influence police and prosecutorial decision-making.

Or the fact that there are more men raped in U.S. prisons than non-incarcerated women.

According to Human Rights Watch, at least 140,000 inmates are raped each year,[1] and there is a significant variation in the rates of prison rape by race. Stop Prisoner Rape, Inc. statistics indicate that there are more men raped in U.S. prisons than non-incarcerated women similarly assaulted. They estimate that young men are five times more likely to be attacked; and that the prison rape victims are ten times more likely to contract a deadly disease.

^ Mariner, Joanne (2001). "No Escape - Male Rape in U.S. Prisons". Human Rights Watch. pp. I. Summary and Recommendations. Retrieved 2007-11-30.


Draugr:
What they left out of these statisics is that women are paid less for doing the same work men do.

This is another old "less pay for the same work" myth which has been debunked many times. Example:

Warren Farrel - Wage Gap Myth Warren Farrel explains why the Wage Gap is nothing but a Myth

Gender pay gap down to women's lifestyle choices

Catherine Hakim She said: “In Britain half of all women in senior positions are child free and a lot more of them have nominal families with a single child and they subcontract out the work of caring for them to other women.”
In the report – called Feminist Myths and Magic Medicine - she said: “Equal opportunities policies have succeeded in giving equal access for women to the labour market.

“People are confusing equal opportunities with equal outcomes, and there is little popular support for the kind of social engineering being demanded by feminists and legislators.”


And:

Department of Labor: Gender Wage Gap a Myth

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.



Draugr:
More women than men being employed is a result of the failing economy and stems from companies knowing they can get away with this, they are inclined to hire women instead of men or lay off male workers instead of women.

Companies cannot get away with that, they could be sued for huge sums of money, and it also makes no sense at all, because if women did the exact same amount of work, worked similar amount of hours during their lives at companies, studies the same majors etc and cost less, then companies have no reason to hire male employees, if they cost more for the same work.

they are inclined to hire women instead of men or lay off male workers instead of women. If we looked at employment stats before the economy started taking a dump you would actually see that more men than women were employed then. They also leave out that men are more likely to be hired for higher-paying jobs. You'd be a fool to think that women don't have privilege as well,

Draugr:
but you'd also be a fool to think that men also don't have privilege, and that in a patriarchal society, due to history, male privilege tends to be more readily apparent, and prevalent.

The "patriarchy" is another strawman. There is no patriarchy to speak of in western countries. Men die 5 years earlier than women on average, most are homeless, most war casualties are men, most work deaths are men too. There is no fantasy "patriarchy". And throughout history women were a protected and provided for class by men who were tasked to provide at all cost and even sacrifice their lives if necessary.

There's various health departments for women, coalition for women and girls. Where are the male equivalents? Why is there no national coalition for men and boys? And still you believe in the fantasy that men are privileged lmao.

Draugr:
Of course, the article you quoted had a classic dismissal of feminism as calling them all emotional, Because we all know how women are, right?!

You dismiss statistics with such an abstract interpretation and accusation to discredit it says more about how ignorant you are than anything else.

Draugr:
Also, I don't see what was hate filled propaganda about the article,

It's littered with lopsided views, and flawed stereotypes of male games, and fallacies of "male privilege". While ignoring the other side of the equation such as how many male game characters are overtly handsome, muscular, strong, and the role of villains is of course mostly male characters etc.

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Dec 19, 2011, 06:33
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Dec 19, 2011, 06:33
 
wow , ok I have never read something so sexist and a little racist at the same time , "mens rights" has its place and its grown out of need , I am a gamer second, I work with victims of domestic violence and drug abuse, it so happens to be the unfashionable side I work with , those being the men , and men make up 40% of all victims of partner violence yet get less than 3% of the help , I deal with men who have been beaten, stabbed, had bones broken yet they still go back to their partners more often than not because they know that if they left they wouldnt get to see their kids again ( try parental alienation syndrome ) not even going to discuss the suicide rates , but lets just put it this way when less than 20% of suicide victims are women its a national crisis, to hell with the 80 odd percent who are men, they dont matter. The white male nonsense is just a poor attempt to imply some sort of undercurrent of racisim and that is total nonsense as a lot of the posters on avfm are either black /asian/african so again a myth dispelled. Id suggest before you post again , go back to the site and read about the radfemhum ( radical feminist hub ) and you will see feminists talking about killing all men, special needs teachers talking about throwing 9 year old boys through closed windows because they are "evil" , if feminism was so altruistic and fair the MRA wouldnt exist because they wouldnt be needed.
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Yaogun wrote on Dec 19, 2011, 05:05:
Wow, that "men's rights" website is sad. Whenever I read stuff like that, or see people so vehemently dismissing the idea that men enjoy some privilege compared to women (like many in this thread), they just come across as pathetic frightened man-children whimpering at the thought that they might have to someday compete on their merits instead of having everything handed to them. Poor babies. And ironically they're often the ones putting on the internet tough guy act.

Guys, it's not a war. Women aren't the enemy. You don't lose anything if they get more equality or rights or respect. Gaming won't cease to be fun if it's not catered to white guys 100% of the time. I just don't get how this stuff can be so terrifying.

Compete on the merits eh? So you're for the abolition of affirmative action laws and policies? How many of those SBA loans are in a woman's name but the company is run by a man?
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 19, 2011, 06:02
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Morga wrote on Dec 19, 2011, 05:29:

Well what privileges? When comparing all the stats, looking across the board, it isn't men who are privileged in society, but women.

Your statistics was far from comprehensive, or 'across the board' Those are cherry picked to support his argument. The list is far-far from comprehensive.

What handed to them? You think all men have sugar daddies who come save them when they're in trouble? Hell no, for example the far majority of homeless people in every country are men.

Just because one has privilege, doesn't mean they will retain said privilege all through their life,

Of course women are not the enemy, and men are not the enemy either! Misandric feminists such as the author who wrote that article on kotaku can be considered as such though.
Don't confuse feminism with women, in general, feminists don't really represent the interests of women, such as their lack of respect for housewives.

I find it slightly amusing that you think feminism requires animosity towards stay at home moms/housewives. In this case, The point of feminism is, just like males, women would have the ability to choose how they live their lives. Most people I know that would consider themselves feminists would not agree with you that feminists are people that hate housewives. If thats what they choose to do with their life than so be it, that was THEIR choice.
Also, to call this article misandric is just false. You might not like what it has to say, but at no point does it strike a tone that is disparaging towards the male gender.

If you're looking for a website that really does a good job truly tackling subjects like real misandry, misogyny, etc. I'd recommend, https://noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz.wordpress.com/
Certainly not perfect, but what is. Of course, some might not like it because it doesn't pretend its us vs them.
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Dec 19, 2011, 05:29
 
Wow, that "men's rights" website is sad.

Sometimes its hard to accept reality.

or see people so vehemently dismissing the idea that men enjoy some privilege compared to women (like many in this thread)

Well what privileges? When comparing all the stats, looking across the board, it isn't men who are privileged in society, but women.

they just come across as pathetic frightened man-children whimpering at the thought that they might have to someday compete on their merits instead of having everything handed to them.

What handed to them? You think all men have sugar daddies who come save them when they're in trouble? Hell no, for example the far majority of homeless people in every country are men.

Poor babies. And ironically they're often the ones putting on the internet tough guy act

More baseless shaming language.


Guys, it's not a war. Women aren't the enemy.

Of course women are not the enemy, and men are not the enemy either! Misandric feminists such as the author who wrote that article on kotaku can be considered as such though.
Don't confuse feminism with women, in general, feminists don't really represent the interests of women, such as their lack of respect for housewives.

You don't lose anything if they get more equality or rights or respect
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Everybody deserves the same rights and respect, not special treatment for a specific race, gender or creed.

Gaming won't cease to be fun if it's not catered to white guys 100% of the time.

Gaming is not catered to 100% white guys. I don't know what planet you live on.

There are Much more gamers in Asia for example. There's a big increase in Hispanics in north-America and arabic youth in Europe nowadays.

I just don't get how this stuff can be so terrifying.

It's you who calls it "terrifying".
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Dec 19, 2011, 05:05
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Dec 19, 2011, 05:05
 
Wow, that "men's rights" website is sad. Whenever I read stuff like that, or see people so vehemently dismissing the idea that men enjoy some privilege compared to women (like many in this thread), they just come across as pathetic frightened man-children whimpering at the thought that they might have to someday compete on their merits instead of having everything handed to them. Poor babies. And ironically they're often the ones putting on the internet tough guy act.

Guys, it's not a war. Women aren't the enemy. You don't lose anything if they get more equality or rights or respect. Gaming won't cease to be fun if it's not catered to white guys 100% of the time. I just don't get how this stuff can be so terrifying.
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Dec 19, 2011, 04:09
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Morga wrote on Dec 19, 2011, 02:10:
This is a sad attempt by a Male feminist from Jezebel (they are under the same blog community banner with Kotaku. Notice how they link to each other) to put their hate filled propaganda into the gaming community.

Indeed, not only is the theory of “male privilege” dead wrong, if we were to use their arguments and definitions, we could say with statistical data that the opposite, or “female privilege,” would be a much more accurate conclusion. Truth is, feminist arguments hardly ever back up their claims of “male privilege” with anything more than superficial hyperbole or emotional tantrums. Sadly, all they can fall back on is the role of the oppressed victim in need of special treatment.

Yes, Priveledge can play out in several ways. You can be privileged in one area and not have privilege in another. These cherry-picked statistics aren't really indicative of privilege, and doesn't provide all the information, so it paints a skewed picture. for example, he could have included in his listing of stats that One in Four college women(25%) report surviving rape or attempted rape since their fourteenth birthday, compared to males at 3%, (on a side note did you know that women can be punished for being raped in some countries,) but then he wouldn't get a pretty post where everything listed is there solely to support his argument, providing an illusion of validity to his argument. The numbers don't tell the whole story, and all the numbers aren't even there.

Another example, they list unemployment rates in these stats, which shows women are more likely to be employed than men. What they left out of these statisics is that women are paid less for doing the same work men do. More women than men being employed is a result of the failing economy and stems from companies knowing they can get away with this, they are inclined to hire women instead of men or lay off male workers instead of women. If we looked at employment stats before the economy started taking a dump you would actually see that more men than women were employed then. They also leave out that men are more likely to be hired for higher-paying jobs. You'd be a fool to think that women don't have privilege as well, but you'd also be a fool to think that men also don't have privilege, and that in a patriarchal society, due to history, male privilege tends to be more readily apparent, and prevalent. Especially if you aren't part of the people who get to have that priviledge.
I think the wage gap is a great example of how male priveledge plays out. http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2003/10/07/the-wage-gap-series-so-far/

Of course, the article you quoted had a classic dismissal of feminism as calling them all emotional, Because we all know how women are, right?!

Also, I don't see what was hate filled propaganda about the article, No one is saying men are evil or anything like that, to deny that people have privilege (for example, males) and then talk about how their privilege influences something, I don't see as hateful at all. I mean, I guess you could see it as being hateful that he wants the gaming community to be more inclusive than we are as being threatening, but I certainly don't see it that way.
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Morga....you rule.
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yuastnav wrote on Dec 19, 2011, 02:10:
I am not heterosexual (I am also not homosexual so the reverse case would not work either).

Umm... okay.
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This is a sad attempt by a Male feminist from Jezebel (they are under the same blog community banner with Kotaku. Notice how they link to each other) to put their hate filled propaganda into the gaming community.

They should read this article about the "Fantasy of Male Privilege" at A Voice for Men.

Excerpt:

But do the raw statistics and realities within our society bear out this theory of “male privilege” to be true? By definition, if feminists are right, men should hold a significant advantage over women in almost every aspect of society. So let’s take a look at some significant statistics in the US in regards to education, poverty, health and welfare to see if any of what they say is true.

Green - Advantaged/privileged
Red - Disadvantaged/unprivileged

Unsheltered Homeless (2009) [1]
Women – 12,000 – 4%
Men – 240,000 – 96%

Life Expectancy (2006) [2]
Women – 80.8 Years
Men – 75.7 Years

Suicides (2008) [3]
Women – 7,585 - 19%
Men – 28,450 - 81%

Deaths by Homicide (2004) [4]
Women – 3,856 – 20%
Men – 14,717 – 80%

Deaths from Cancer (2004) [4]
Women – 269,819
Men – 290,069

Deaths from HIV/AIDS (2004) [4]
Women – 3,357
Men – 8,756

Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research [5]
Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000 - 40,000 Deaths
Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000 - 33,000 Deaths

Deaths on the Job (2010) [6]
Women – 355 - 7%
Men – 4,192 - 93%

Injuries on the Job (2007) [10]
Women – 36%
Men – 64%

College Enrollment (2009) [7]
Women – 58% - 11,658,000
Men – 42% - 8,770,000

Affirmative Action Education Programs (Gender Specific) [8]
Women – Yes
Men – No

Unemployment Rates (2010) [9]
Women – 8.6% – 6,199,000
Men – 10.5% - 8,626,000

Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010) [11]
Women – 36.1
Men – 40.2

High School Graduation Rates (2005) [12]
Women – 72%
Men – 65%

Incarceration Rates (2009) [13]
Women – 114,979 - 7%
Men – 1,502,49 - 93%

Child Custody Rates [14]
Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers

US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010 [15][16][17]
Women – 139 - 0.001%
Men – 100,063 - 99.99%

Federally Funded Battered Shelters [18]
Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year
Men – None – $0

Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research) [19]
Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
Men Only – None – $0

Forced Selective Service
Women – No
Men – Yes

Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010) [20]
Women – 5.8%
Men – 12.2%

Indeed, not only is the theory of “male privilege” dead wrong, if we were to use their arguments and definitions, we could say with statistical data that the opposite, or “female privilege,” would be a much more accurate conclusion. Truth is, feminist arguments hardly ever back up their claims of “male privilege” with anything more than superficial hyperbole or emotional tantrums. Sadly, all they can fall back on is the role of the oppressed victim in need of special treatment.
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Prez wrote on Dec 18, 2011, 21:15:
[...] And let's be honest - all heterosexual males between the ages of 15 and 90, when in the presence of a beautiful woman, will be thinking of her sexually at least for some length of time without her being "sexualized" at all.[...]

I guess therein lies the problem: I am not heterosexual (I am also not homosexual so the reverse case would not work either).
Now we donce.
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Quboid wrote on Dec 18, 2011, 17:49:
Cutter wrote on Dec 18, 2011, 17:32:
Jesus, TV commercials have been portraying women as dumb sluts for decades now. At least in comics/games they're empowered and smart.

Oh please, next you'll be saying this was sexist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC5aGCOT6bs

Hah! A good example, but I'd say just watch any beer commercial.
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Jerykk wrote on Dec 19, 2011, 00:03:
I really don't see the point in these articles.

"We need page views. Write something inflammatory."
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I really don't see the point in these articles. Are women sexualized in videogames and entertainment in general? Sure. But so are men. How often do you see short, ugly, obese men as protagonists? Yeah, that's what I thought. Male protagonists tend to be handsome, rugged, tall and well-built. Coincidentally, these are all features that women find sexually appealing. Unfortuantely, the writer of the article doesn't seem to grasp the notion that men and women find different things sexually appealing. Batman may be mostly clothed but he's still wearing a skin tight costume that accentuates his physique. Hell, Bane, Zsasz and Killer Croc are completely topless. Funny that the author didn't include them in his examples of male characters.

Bottom line: videogames are entertainment and entertainment revolves around fantasy. As a result, men are portrayed just as unrealistically as women.
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yuastnav wrote on Dec 18, 2011, 20:33:
Well, that only shows how remote I am from the standard thinking patterns of most people of this society. For me sexualisation is objectification and that is not a good thing.

wow - you are indeed special

so special
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yuastnav wrote on Dec 18, 2011, 20:33:
Well, that only shows how remote I am from the standard thinking patterns of most people of this society. For me sexualisation is objectification and that is not a good thing.
Big-breasted, scantily clad women jumping around is god damn annoying in my opinion (on different levels) and it is a kinda sad for me to see that this is actually perceived as the norm.

I agree wholeheartedly with what you say about scantily clad women, however I really strongly disagree with the idea that sexualisation is objectification. In my opinion, this is a strange sort of reverse-sexism, the suggestion that women can't be sexual. As Prez says, women at times want to look sexually attractive and that's fine. Men are exactly the same and to expand on Prez's point, women between 15 and 90 check out guys.

Objectification is when their other attributes are ignored, prejudged or dismissed because of sexuality - they become just a sex object. I look at women and consider their attractiveness but I don't make assumptions. I don't mean I'm sitting around rating women out of 10, that would be objectifying, but I notice attractive women so therefore I am subconsciously making judgements about appearance, as everyone - male or female - does.

I like looking at attractive women and as our species wouldn't exist without this, I'm not going to apologise for it. There is a difference between thinking someone is sexually attractive and thinking someone is only useful for sexual gratification.

Sexuality is not sexism.
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