Krovven wrote on Nov 20, 2011, 13:06:

bhcompy wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 22:12:
The only skills CS are about these days are AWP and DE whoring.

I've been hearing no skill whiners saying that since Beta 3. Must have been yo.

You sure told him tough guy.

Bhruic wrote on Nov 20, 2011, 03:46:

Cutter wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 22:03:

Viranth wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 17:04:
No...

Everyone is playing COD or BF3 now.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Surely you don't think that posting Steam stats has any bearing on whether people are playing BF3?

As of this post, current players in each game (Steam stats for CS/MW3, BFstats.com for BF3), only PC versions.

BF3: 126,304
MW3: 18,568
CSS: 46,000

Just for kicks, Xbox 360 and PS3 stats for BF3. I couldn't find any console stats for MW3, but you can bet it is probably much more than the PC version.

BF3 PS3: 101,669
BF3 X360: 93,927


Take it as you will.

I stopped playing CS around 1.5, I played CS:S for a while and enjoyed it, but by that time I was already sold on BF games. CS:S and MW3 are more tactical, BF is more strategic. I think that is why CS:S and MW3 are chosen for pro leagues; MW3/CS:S are more reliant on individual skill rather than team skill.

This comment was edited on Nov 20, 2011, 16:01.

xXBatmanXx wrote on Nov 20, 2011, 11:29:
CS isn't any more "skill" based than any other game. It is all time based. The more time you play, the better you are at knowing when and where. The non stop random headshots is why I quit playing. Headshots shouldn't be the highest % of shots.

There are significantly less non-skill variables to deal with in CS thus the outcomes have more to do with skill rather than unlockables or other perks.

There are plenty of people who've been playing the game for years who are still terrible, to say it's "all time based" is idiotic and as an FPS player you should know that. The difference between CS and games with unlockables is that those players do remain terrible instead of getting improvements to their dmg/aim/survivablity the longer they play.

Also I've never understood the "random" headshot complaint. A bullet lands on the head and you get a headshot. You make bullets land on the head by aiming at it. Now the random part I'm sure your referring to is recoil, are you suggesting that because people aim at the chest and the recoil causes their shots to drift upwards to the head that it isn't skillful, it's just a roll of the dice? CS has no replay kill cam, how do you know if a headshot on you is random without someone else recording a demo of the game from spec.

bhcompy wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 22:12:
The only skills CS are about these days are AWP and DE whoring.

I've been hearing no skill whiners saying that since Beta 3. Must have been yo.

CS isn't any more "skill" based than any other game. It is all time based. The more time you play, the better you are at knowing when and where. The non stop random headshots is why I quit playing. Headshots shouldn't be the highest % of shots.

bhcompy wrote on Nov 20, 2011, 02:33:
AK and M4 aren't a big problem.

What do you mean by problem? And by contrast I'm guessing you think the AWP is a problem for some reason.

Cutter wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 22:03:

Viranth wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 17:04:
No...

Everyone is playing COD or BF3 now.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Surely you don't think that posting Steam stats has any bearing on whether people are playing BF3?

arnold wrote on Nov 20, 2011, 01:41:

quakeworld for people who have real skill

Now you're talkin

Sepharo wrote on Nov 20, 2011, 00:06:
So who AWP and DE whores? In competitive play they don't AWP until late or if it's a blow out, and even then it's only 2/5 of the team at most. Most pub servers (unfortunately) have AWP disabled.

A more accurate complaint would've been, "the game has a lot of weapon choices but usually only ak, colt, and awp are used". But that's why I play GunGame instead.

And GunGame isn't CS, it's GunGame.

Most servers do not have AWP disabled. It would be more accurate to say that most populated servers have gun limits on AWP and autosnipers. AK and M4 aren't a big problem.

Cutter wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 22:03:

Viranth wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 17:04:
No...

Everyone is playing COD or BF3 now.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/


158,234 226,089 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
33,356 45,754 Team Fortress 2
24,798 68,739 Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 - Multiplayer
18,880 65,351 Counter-Strike
16,827 48,906 Football Manager 2012
16,641 47,994 Counter-Strike: Source
16,177 21,223 Sid Meier's Civilization V
8,943 27,352 Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
7,541 10,095 Left 4 Dead 2
7,044 9,135 Saints Row the Third

Sure doesn't look like it to me. And as someone who played CS heavily for years and has zero interest in COD or BF I am definitely down for this. Then again CS is a game for people who have real skillz.

cs is a game for people who have real skillz....disagree.....skills in camping...

quakeworld for people who have real skill

So who AWP and DE whores? In competitive play they don't AWP until late or if it's a blow out, and even then it's only 2/5 of the team at most. Most pub servers (unfortunately) have AWP disabled.

A more accurate complaint would've been, "the game has a lot of weapon choices but usually only ak, colt, and awp are used". But that's why I play GunGame instead.

Yes, I still play.

bhcompy wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 22:12:
The only skills CS are about these days are AWP and DE whoring. The community is as bad as the COD community.

/played since Beta 3

Are you still playing? Because I am and you're not right.

The only skills CS are about these days are AWP and DE whoring. The community is as bad as the COD community.

/played since Beta 3

Viranth wrote on Nov 19, 2011, 17:04:
No...

Everyone is playing COD or BF3 now.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/


158,234 226,089 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
33,356 45,754 Team Fortress 2
24,798 68,739 Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 - Multiplayer
18,880 65,351 Counter-Strike
16,827 48,906 Football Manager 2012
16,641 47,994 Counter-Strike: Source
16,177 21,223 Sid Meier's Civilization V
8,943 27,352 Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
7,541 10,095 Left 4 Dead 2
7,044 9,135 Saints Row the Third

Sure doesn't look like it to me. And as someone who played CS heavily for years and has zero interest in COD or BF I am definitely down for this. Then again CS is a game for people who have real skillz.

It would be truly hard for me to care less. However, it may distract some of the power-gamer DBs muddling up my BF3 experience for awhile, so there is *that* possible upside....

(I don't rant myself in-game, but if I see "lolol y u mad bro?" one more time...)

According to Valve's twitter, it's November 30th??

No...

Everyone is playing COD or BF3 now.