Australian R18+ Final Guidelines

The final guidelines for Australia's planned R18+ rating are revealed on GameSpot, where they talk with Australia's Federal Minister for Home Affairs Brendan O'Connor about what these entail. The R18+ rating, which is already approved in principle (thanks GamePron), will be voted on by parliament as soon as February, and if enacted, will give the classification board immediate power to approve games with the new rating, as well as to re-rate MA15+ rated games into the new category. There will also still be games which are refused classification, as word is: "Any game with sexual violence will be refused classification. [Smith] need not worry, sexual violence is refused classification now, and it will be refused classification once R18+ passes." Here are the planned guidelines for R18+ games:
Under the final guidelines, the criteria for an R18+ game will now be:

THEMES:
There are virtually no restrictions on the treatment of themes.

VIOLENCE:
Violence is permitted. High impact violence that is, in context, frequently gratuitous, exploitative and offensive to a reasonable adult will not be permitted.
Sexual violence may be implied, if non-interactive and justified by context.

SEX:
Sexual activity may be realistically simulated. The general rule is "simulation, yes—the real thing, no".

LANGUAGE:
There are virtually no restrictions on language.

DRUG USE:
Drug use is permitted
Drug use related to incentives and rewards is not permitted.

NUDITY:
Nudity is permitted.
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 11:00
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Nov 4, 2011, 11:00
 
It's about time Australia passed this.

Anyways a "reasonable" adult would never find violence reasonable, at least I wouldn't. However a "reasonable" adult would be able to distinguish between between virtual and real violence.

Also how is sexual violence ever justified?
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Nov 4, 2011, 11:07
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 El Pit
 
Rattlehead wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 11:00:
Also how is sexual violence ever justified?

Exactly. That made me scratch my head, too.
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 11:11
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Nov 4, 2011, 11:11
 
So even with the R18+, GTA or SR would still not be legal?

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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 11:21
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Nov 4, 2011, 11:21
 
I Welcome our Aussie Brothers to the 21st century! Welcome!
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 11:30
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Nov 4, 2011, 11:30
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 11:07:
Rattlehead wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 11:00:
Also how is sexual violence ever justified?

Exactly. That made me scratch my head, too.
I'm pretty sure that means that the portrayal of sexual violence can be justified as part of a story, but it can't be an interactive element that the player takes part in.
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 12:18
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any of you care to explain to me why anyone should ever want, need, desire or condone a game with "sexual violence" implied or otherwise?

can you people, any of you, not see how evil these games are becoming? No game or form of entertainment should ever be allowed that glorifies evil and lets people do evil for fun.

our brains are bio computers and eventually what you put in comes out. and the depths of depravity we are exposing ourselves to and our children to year after year are already taking a toll and it will get worse and worse. There needs to be a serious push back against this stuff pretty soon before we are forced to fully bear the weight of the results of our foolish and evil ways as a society.

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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 12:20
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The general rule is "simulation, yes—the real thing, no".

Uh, until we get some major improvements in computing, I'm pretty sure all computer games are simulations - at best. It'll be holodeck technology before "the real thing" becomes possible.
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 12:39
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Nov 4, 2011, 12:39
 
Bhruic wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 12:20:
The general rule is "simulation, yes—the real thing, no".

Uh, until we get some major improvements in computing, I'm pretty sure all computer games are simulations - at best. It'll be holodeck technology before "the real thing" becomes possible.

Yeah I'm not really sure what they mean by that, it's a pretty ridiculous distinction to make. The only thing I could see them calling "the real thing" are full-on sex games, but of course, even they are simulations.
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Nov 4, 2011, 12:43
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Nov 4, 2011, 12:43
 
Bhruic wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 12:20:
The general rule is "simulation, yes—the real thing, no".

Uh, until we get some major improvements in computing, I'm pretty sure all computer games are simulations - at best. It'll be holodeck technology before "the real thing" becomes possible.

I was wondering the same thing. What games were they banning with the real thing, and uhm, where might I find a copy >_>

Terms like reasonable adult leave a lot of room for interpretation. Guess that's where the bribes come in.
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 12:49
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Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 12:39:
Bhruic wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 12:20:
The general rule is "simulation, yes—the real thing, no".

Uh, until we get some major improvements in computing, I'm pretty sure all computer games are simulations - at best. It'll be holodeck technology before "the real thing" becomes possible.

Yeah I'm not really sure what they mean by that, it's a pretty ridiculous distinction to make. The only thing I could see them calling "the real thing" are full-on sex games, but of course, even they are simulations.

No live action cutscenes I'd imagine. CG sex scene=okay, live action sex scene=banned.
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 12:49
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Nov 4, 2011, 12:49
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 11:30:
El Pit wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 11:07:
Rattlehead wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 11:00:
Also how is sexual violence ever justified?

Exactly. That made me scratch my head, too.
I'm pretty sure that means that the portrayal of sexual violence can be justified as part of a story, but it can't be an interactive element that the player takes part in.

I think perhaps they mean as part of the story... like a cutscene where some thugs grope the main character's NPC girlfriend or it's implied they're going to take her out back and do stuff. In which case you feel driven to escape and shoot those villains in the head.

Or even mentioning / implying that one of the characters was assaulted in the past. Kind of like how the comic-code used to prevent even the smallest hint that someone was abused/assaulted/etc.


I'm not saying it's that great or moral, but I don't think they're talking about a side-mission in GTA where you assault some NPC. But the sheer mention of assault can "come up" in dialog or whatever without it going one rung up the ladder.



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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 12:52
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Nov 4, 2011, 12:52
 
Hellbinder wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 12:18:
any of you care to explain to me why anyone should ever want, need, desire or condone a game with "sexual violence" implied or otherwise?

Because sometimes sexual violence is part of the story that is being told through the game. The fact that sexual violence may exist in a game you are playing does not necessarily mean that you want, need, desire or condone the act. It can simply be part of the story.
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Nov 4, 2011, 12:58
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Nov 4, 2011, 12:58
 
SEX:
Sexual activity may be realistically simulated. The general rule is "simulation, yes—the real thing, no".

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Nov 4, 2011, 13:01
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Hellbinder wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 12:18:
our brains are bio computers and eventually what you put in comes out. and the depths of depravity we are exposing ourselves to and our children to year after year are already taking a toll and it will get worse and worse. There needs to be a serious push back against this stuff pretty soon before we are forced to fully bear the weight of the results of our foolish and evil ways as a society.

Tell me about it! Last night I had to make the most awful choice: did I take my kids to jeer and throw rotten tomatoes at the people about to be drawn and quartered in the square, or did I head over to the gladiator arena? They were going to pit a dozen slaves against a starving lion! Talk about action.

Good thing we haven't moved beyond harming real people for our entertainment.
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Nov 4, 2011, 13:18
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The difference between "simulation, yes—the real thing, no" for films is whether or not there is actual penetration, as opposed to the actors lying on each other and making moaning sounds. Presumably the corresponding difference for computer games is whether there is an polygonal wee-wee entering a polygonal who-who.
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 13:21
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 Quboid
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 11:07:
Rattlehead wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 11:00:
Also how is sexual violence ever justified?

Exactly. That made me scratch my head, too.

As for sexual violence, when is it ever justified? Well, Oscar winning films manage to justify it. Are we really going to claim that computer gamers are more squeamish than film-goers? I'm pretty sure that we are exactly as squeamish, since we are exactly the same people. Just because an activity is justified by the context, doesn't mean we endorse it. Otherwise, to invoke Godwin's rule, anyone who watched Schindler's List must believe the Nazi ghetto liquidation was justified.

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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 13:36
El Pit
 
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Nov 4, 2011, 13:36
 El Pit
 
Thx, Quboid. Now I understand it. It's not about justifying sexual violence, it's about tolerating it if it's an essential part of fiction (literature, film, games, performances). The term "justified" is a bit misleading here, dear OZs.
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Re: Australian R18+ Final Guidelines
Nov 4, 2011, 14:08
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Nov 4, 2011, 14:08
 
goddamn is the Aussie gubment ever uptight. What's wrong with a little slap and tickle? And what the hell is a "reasonable adult"?
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Nov 4, 2011, 14:11
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Nov 4, 2011, 14:11
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 4, 2011, 13:36:
Thx, Quboid. Now I understand it. It's not about justifying sexual violence, it's about tolerating it if it's an essential part of fiction (literature, film, games, performances). The term "justified" is a bit misleading here, dear OZs.

Think of it this way - justifying the inclusion, not the act itself.
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Nov 4, 2011, 14:36
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Nov 4, 2011, 14:36
 
Are people here that thick headed?

Simulation = GTA3. Guy and hooker get in car. All you see is the car bouncing up and down and the windows fogging up. You know whats happening it is just not outright shown.

Real Thing = Outright showing two people fucking.

Drug use related to incentives and rewards is not permitted.
So I guess the idiotic censorship of Fallout 3 and the "morphine" would have still run afoul of this rule as it acts like a 'incentive'.

So yeah. Again. This rating would not get the GTA games off the hook or a bunch of others. Mostly because of the vague as shit "offensive to a reasonable adult".
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