BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized

The closing performance at BlizzCon 2011 by Level 90 Epic Tauren Chieftain has drawn fire from GLAAD for anti-gay slurs in a lead-in video from guest singer George 'Corpseater' Fisher from Cannibal Corpse, reports GayGamer. Word is: "The problem? His hate for the Alliance. Specifically, the anti-gay language used to describe them. Though bleeped-out, Fisher's diatribe calls Alliance players a number of anti-gay slurs, and declares that they should die." They say this "has prompted GLAAD to initiate an outreach to Blizzard." VG247 notes the following official comment on this from Blizzard:
Thank you everyone for your feedback regarding the closing night performance at BlizzCon. While we had some other messaging worked up we were going to post, the members of band wanted to instead address it themselves:

Hey guys, we read and heard all the feedback from BlizzCon this year. The Corpsegrinder bit was never intended to be taken seriously. We are sorry that we offended anyone; everything at our shows is just meant in fun. Thank you all for speaking up. We’ll definitely keep this in mind for future shows.

Our humblest apologies,

Level 90 Elite Tauren Chieftain

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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 21:15
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Oct 27, 2011, 21:15
 
Bhruic wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 20:40:
Actually, it can help. In fact, it was obviously demonstrated to help in the very instance we are debating. What everyone seems to have overlooked in this little saga, is that GLAAD complained, and Cannibal Corpse apologized. That's how it works.

Ah BS.

What REALLY happened:
GLAAD complained and cried a river of tears.

Cannibal Corpse said "oh shit here we go".

GLAAD continued to piss on.

Cannibal Corpse said "Ok! We apologize (if that will get you to shut the fuck up)

I seriously doubt any "minds" were changed.

That is how you deal with "loud mouthed zealot minority groups".
You say "I'm Sorry" because it get's them to shut the hell up.
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Oct 27, 2011, 21:01
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 21:01
Oct 27, 2011, 21:01
 
Bhruic wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 20:40:
Actually, it can help. In fact, it was obviously demonstrated to help in the very instance we are debating.What everyone seems to have overlooked in this little saga, is that GLAAD complained, and Cannibal Corpse apologized. That's how it works.

What behavior society accepts is determined by the members of society. It used to be acceptable to call black people offensive names. People objected to that, and now it's no longer acceptable. Does that mean no one does it? Of course not. It dosen't mean people aren't racist. But it's moved society towards a place where racism is no longer a completely tolerated behavior. And the same thing is happening with homosexuals. 20 years from now, thanks to the efforts of GLAAD, and things like the It Gets Better campaign, it will no longer be acceptable to use homosexual slurs (we're actually fairly close now, but I'm giving it some breathing room). Again, that won't mean no one does it, or no one thinks it, just that it won't be socially acceptable.

Agreed entirely.

But things that can be called racist, homophobic, sexist, or just plain derogatory to any particular person for any reason, will get said by people with no malice intended. With that said, a) I'm not racist, b) I'm not homophobic, but I grew up in time where referring to something as "That's gay" or "That's retarded" was said without a thought and certainly was never meant with disrespect to anyone. I try and refrain myself from using the phrases, particularly in certain company, but things do get said.

Another example, my grandfather lived in a time where referring to an Asian of any particular nationality as a "chinaman" was not considered racist. My grandfather was not a racist man, but every now and then he said something that would now be considered racist, simply because of what was considered common slang at the time.

A lot of people say stupid things, a lot of those things are never meant with malice intent.

As for the guy from Cannibal Corpse, if you check other interviews he has done, he could be racist/homophobic, I don't know. But it's obvious the English language isn't something he excels at.

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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:47
Prez
 
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:47
Oct 27, 2011, 20:47
 Prez
 
Addressing the problem and making an issue of it does solve the problem.

Which is exactly what you are NOT doing when you cry about some retard jokingly calling some gamers "fags" because of their choice of alliance for their in-game avatar. All you are doing is making yourself look foolish in my view.

And by the way, in that case you cited the motive is not known; it is assumed that he was targeted because he was gay. Just as it was assumed that the psychotic Jared Loughner shot the Democratic Congresswoman because of right-wing "Hate Speech" when in fact he shot her because he is a hateful lunatic psycho. Would it make you feel better if these people were treated the same way but the attackers didn't know their sexual orientation or political affiliation? Again, the notion is insultingly stupid.

It may be a point worth mentioning that it wasn't forced outrage at incidental references or faux nobility of being high minded enough to be offended by anything and everything that freed slaves or got women the right to vote. Your insinuation that acting "positively scandalized" (pass me my smelling salts, dahling!) at such things is somehow making some sort of a difference is laughable and sad at the same time.

As an aside, try calming your out-of-control emotions for a second (I know it's hard for people used to letting their emotions rule them, but it can be done) and thinking rationally and you'll see that the way you characterized my statements is patently wrong.

That it's a "fact of life" doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to try and diminish it as much as possible.

Had any of us somehow known beforehand that this young man was going to be treated in this manner there isn't a single person here that wouldn't have acted in some manner to stop it. That is in an entirely different class than pretending outrage at the slightest perceived insult by average goofballs trying to be funny. And you know it.

Actually, it can help. In fact, it was obviously demonstrated to help in the very instance we are debating. What everyone seems to have overlooked in this little saga, is that GLAAD complained, and Cannibal Corpse apologized. That's how it works.

Are you seriously suggesting that you think someone made a difference because they are "sorry that someone got offended"? Seriously? Nah, you can't be. I know enough about you to know you are smarter than that. No one's view was changed; no one had an epiphany and decided to start handing out flowers of peace in the airport. A guy apologized so he can come back next year and do the same thing all over again. It's absolutely fascinating to see how much people can read into insignificant and meaningless things. Human nature will never change, regardless of how much you try to stifle someone from speaking their mind.

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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:44
Prez
 
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:44
Oct 27, 2011, 20:44
 Prez
 
woops double post deleted.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:40
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:40
Oct 27, 2011, 20:40
 
No one should have to suffer such things, but it's a sad fact of life and human nature that they do and will

That it's a "fact of life" doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to try and diminish it as much as possible.

We all wish we could end the suffering wrought by evil people - any decent person would, but crying about some stupid, harmless thing some goofball said won't help one bit.

Actually, it can help. In fact, it was obviously demonstrated to help in the very instance we are debating. What everyone seems to have overlooked in this little saga, is that GLAAD complained, and Cannibal Corpse apologized. That's how it works.

What behavior society accepts is determined by the members of society. It used to be acceptable to call black people offensive names. People objected to that, and now it's no longer acceptable. Does that mean no one does it? Of course not. It dosen't mean people aren't racist. But it's moved society towards a place where racism is no longer a completely tolerated behavior. And the same thing is happening with homosexuals. 20 years from now, thanks to the efforts of GLAAD, and things like the It Gets Better campaign, it will no longer be acceptable to use homosexual slurs (we're actually fairly close now, but I'm giving it some breathing room). Again, that won't mean no one does it, or no one thinks it, just that it won't be socially acceptable.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:30
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:30
Oct 27, 2011, 20:30
 
Fibrocyte wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 20:05:
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:51:
Fibrocyte wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:44:
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:03:
Place 100,000 gay men (or women) on an island with NO access to adoption or IVF and that group of citizens will be dead and gone in around 50 years. No way to procreate you see.
This speaks volumes about what nature would have to say about homosexuality. Nothing to do with politics or religion.
However we ALL know mans disposition for fucking with nature.

Do I want homosexuals dead? NO.
Do I want homosexuals bashed? NO.
Do I believe homosexuals deserve to live their lives in peace? YES.
BUT, don't tell me it's "normal".

I've been called "white cracker", "whitey", "kangaroo shagger" etc.
Guess what? I don't give a shit.
You won't see me running around crying a river of tears.
"WHAAAAAA hate speech WHHHAAAAA"
Go to the fridge and pour yourselves a BIG glass of "get over it" juice.

A white heterosexual... your life must be hell with all the slurs thrown your way everyday. Poor feller.

Like I said:
I don't give a shit.

Do you have a comprehension disability?

You're a very angry person over this subject - perhaps a closet gay? Might I suggest you come out of the closet? You'll feel better.

Like I said:
I don't give a shit.

Are we getting it yet?
The Lame Stream Media in the USA these days is nothing more than a Democrat Party protection racket.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:28
PHJF
 
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:28
Oct 27, 2011, 20:28
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That's only because women are always wasting time with their periods and having babies and gossiping around the water cooler all day.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:22
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:22
Oct 27, 2011, 20:22
 
Kitkoan wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 20:10:
Prez wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:34:
How many of them have to worry about themselves because of the fact that another gay one of them tied to lamppost, beaten, burned and killed in public only 3 days ago? And this wasn't the first or last time it will happen, just because they were gay?


Horrible things happen to blacks, whites, Asians, Hindus, to Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists, to heterosexuals, bi-sexuals, transexuals, men, women, children, transvestites, to everybody every single day. Gays are not special. No one should have to suffer such things, but it's a sad fact of life and human nature that they do and will. We all wish we could end the suffering wrought by evil people - any decent person would, but crying about some stupid, harmless thing some goofball said won't help one bit.

And please don't try to infer that his speech can be considered "inflammatory"; that's just an insultingly stupid notion, just as it was when people suggested it about some goofy developer naming an achievement "Stupid whore" or something like that. It's childish idiocy.


And its one thing when that happens to them just because. Its something completely different when they get targeted for the single reason being what they are, and thats what makes it wrong. And ignoring the problem and shrugging your shoulders doesn't make it go away. Addressing the problem and making an issue of it does solve the problem.

It took this to get women the right to vote, to work and be treated as an equal and no longer been told that "a good wife knows her place". The same also had to happen with black people in the south whom had to worry about things being lynched in public without anyone doing anything against it. Granted you would have just shrugged your shoulders and said "Eh, shit happens." I know this because you just did it about a gay man being lynched in public and all you have to state is "it's a sad fact of life and human nature that they do and will." Guess what? People brought light to the problem of degrading others because of who they were and that treating them like that doesn't help and needs to stop. And guess what? It keeps getting better and black people don't need to keep looking over their shoulder, afraid of being lynched. Now we need to start doing the same for gay people.

While there has been a lot of progress, even those groups still aren't treated equally it's something that still needs work.
For example, on average women still get paid less than men for the same work.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:15
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:15
Oct 27, 2011, 20:15
 
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:48:
Draugr wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:21:
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:03:
Place 100,000 gay men (or women) on an island with NO access to adoption or IVF and that group of citizens will be dead and gone in around 50 years. No way to procreate you see.

The same thing could be said about placing 100 heterosexual men (or women) on an island. It's also a point that serves no purpose.

*sigh* Ok! For the pedantic (and those with very little active brain cells).....
Place 100,000 gay men AND women on an island with NO access to adoption or IVF and that group of citizens will be dead and gone in around 50 years. No way to procreate you see.
One or the other will have to cross over to the other side and fuck the other otherwise their dead and buried. I guess that would make them bi-sexual.

One thing I never understood.
Why do so many lesbian couples use strap-on rubber penises??
I mean sort of defeats the purpose of being a lesbian in the first place.

And just as before, it's a moot point because it has no relevancy to anything beyond what you consider natural, even though other species also engage in this behavior. Seeing as how they are part of a society, the majority of are heterosexual, it really has nothing to do with anything. It certainly isn't relevant to what's being dicussed here.

I don't really see why someone using a dildo defeats the purpose of being a lesbian. Just because your a lesbian doesn't mean you wont enjoy sex in X,Y, or Z way. Some men like getting pegged by their girlfriend/spouse, I don't think that would 'defeat the purpose' of them being heterosexual.
Once again though, this is a moot point that has no bearing on the current discussion. Bringing sexual habits of people into the discussion doesn't do anything but serve to steer the conversation away from the topic, which involves sexuality, not sexual habits.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:10
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:10
Oct 27, 2011, 20:10
 
Prez wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:34:
How many of them have to worry about themselves because of the fact that another gay one of them tied to lamppost, beaten, burned and killed in public only 3 days ago? And this wasn't the first or last time it will happen, just because they were gay?


Horrible things happen to blacks, whites, Asians, Hindus, to Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists, to heterosexuals, bi-sexuals, transexuals, men, women, children, transvestites, to everybody every single day. Gays are not special. No one should have to suffer such things, but it's a sad fact of life and human nature that they do and will. We all wish we could end the suffering wrought by evil people - any decent person would, but crying about some stupid, harmless thing some goofball said won't help one bit.

And please don't try to infer that his speech can be considered "inflammatory"; that's just an insultingly stupid notion, just as it was when people suggested it about some goofy developer naming an achievement "Stupid whore" or something like that. It's childish idiocy.


And its one thing when that happens to them just because. Its something completely different when they get targeted for the single reason being what they are, and thats what makes it wrong. And ignoring the problem and shrugging your shoulders doesn't make it go away. Addressing the problem and making an issue of it does solve the problem.

It took this to get women the right to vote, to work and be treated as an equal and no longer been told that "a good wife knows her place". The same also had to happen with black people in the south whom had to worry about things being lynched in public without anyone doing anything against it. Granted you would have just shrugged your shoulders and said "Eh, shit happens." I know this because you just did it about a gay man being lynched in public and all you have to state is "it's a sad fact of life and human nature that they do and will." Guess what? People brought light to the problem of degrading others because of who they were and that treating them like that doesn't help and needs to stop. And guess what? It keeps getting better and black people don't need to keep looking over their shoulder, afraid of being lynched. Now we need to start doing the same for gay people.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 20:05
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 20:05
Oct 27, 2011, 20:05
 
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:51:
Fibrocyte wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:44:
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:03:
Place 100,000 gay men (or women) on an island with NO access to adoption or IVF and that group of citizens will be dead and gone in around 50 years. No way to procreate you see.
This speaks volumes about what nature would have to say about homosexuality. Nothing to do with politics or religion.
However we ALL know mans disposition for fucking with nature.

Do I want homosexuals dead? NO.
Do I want homosexuals bashed? NO.
Do I believe homosexuals deserve to live their lives in peace? YES.
BUT, don't tell me it's "normal".

I've been called "white cracker", "whitey", "kangaroo shagger" etc.
Guess what? I don't give a shit.
You won't see me running around crying a river of tears.
"WHAAAAAA hate speech WHHHAAAAA"
Go to the fridge and pour yourselves a BIG glass of "get over it" juice.

A white heterosexual... your life must be hell with all the slurs thrown your way everyday. Poor feller.

Like I said:
I don't give a shit.

Do you have a comprehension disability?

You're a very angry person over this subject - perhaps a closet gay? Might I suggest you come out of the closet? You'll feel better.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 19:57
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:57
Oct 27, 2011, 19:57
 
yeh its bullshit that people think you have to be gay to call someone a faggot, or you have to be black to call someone a nigger.. hatred doesnt depend on words

ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:03:
Go to the fridge and pour yourselves a BIG glass of "get over it" juice.

no shit
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 19:51
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:51
Oct 27, 2011, 19:51
 
Fibrocyte wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:44:
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:03:
Place 100,000 gay men (or women) on an island with NO access to adoption or IVF and that group of citizens will be dead and gone in around 50 years. No way to procreate you see.
This speaks volumes about what nature would have to say about homosexuality. Nothing to do with politics or religion.
However we ALL know mans disposition for fucking with nature.

Do I want homosexuals dead? NO.
Do I want homosexuals bashed? NO.
Do I believe homosexuals deserve to live their lives in peace? YES.
BUT, don't tell me it's "normal".

I've been called "white cracker", "whitey", "kangaroo shagger" etc.
Guess what? I don't give a shit.
You won't see me running around crying a river of tears.
"WHAAAAAA hate speech WHHHAAAAA"
Go to the fridge and pour yourselves a BIG glass of "get over it" juice.

A white heterosexual... your life must be hell with all the slurs thrown your way everyday. Poor feller.

Like I said:
I don't give a shit.

Do you have a comprehension disability?
The Lame Stream Media in the USA these days is nothing more than a Democrat Party protection racket.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 19:48
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:48
Oct 27, 2011, 19:48
 
Draugr wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:21:
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:03:
Place 100,000 gay men (or women) on an island with NO access to adoption or IVF and that group of citizens will be dead and gone in around 50 years. No way to procreate you see.

The same thing could be said about placing 100 heterosexual men (or women) on an island. It's also a point that serves no purpose.

*sigh* Ok! For the pedantic (and those with very little active brain cells).....
Place 100,000 gay men AND women on an island with NO access to adoption or IVF and that group of citizens will be dead and gone in around 50 years. No way to procreate you see.
One or the other will have to cross over to the other side and fuck the other otherwise their dead and buried. I guess that would make them bi-sexual.

One thing I never understood.
Why do so many lesbian couples use strap-on rubber penises??
I mean sort of defeats the purpose of being a lesbian in the first place.
The Lame Stream Media in the USA these days is nothing more than a Democrat Party protection racket.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 19:48
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:48
Oct 27, 2011, 19:48
 
Well I just got told my religion (I call it relationship with my creator) was fake. How is that cool? You want to say that it is ok to bring homosexuality into a gaming site, yet not allow me to speak? I do not think so... hypocritical to say the least...
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 19:47
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:47
Oct 27, 2011, 19:47
 
AnointedSword wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:35:
Kitkoan wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:29:
AnointedSword wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:26:
Christianphobes!

This has nothing to do with religion. Please don't try to drag religion in as some kinda false-leverage to the subject at hand.

Sorry, you just dragged homosexuality into my gaming site...Now it has everything to do with Christ. Like I said, nature itself is also witness...

Sorry, you just dragged Christ into my gaming site...Now it has everything to do with the Easter Bunny.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 19:44
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:44
Oct 27, 2011, 19:44
 
ventry wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:03:
Place 100,000 gay men (or women) on an island with NO access to adoption or IVF and that group of citizens will be dead and gone in around 50 years. No way to procreate you see.
This speaks volumes about what nature would have to say about homosexuality. Nothing to do with politics or religion.
However we ALL know mans disposition for fucking with nature.

Do I want homosexuals dead? NO.
Do I want homosexuals bashed? NO.
Do I believe homosexuals deserve to live their lives in peace? YES.
BUT, don't tell me it's "normal".

I've been called "white cracker", "whitey", "kangaroo shagger" etc.
Guess what? I don't give a shit.
You won't see me running around crying a river of tears.
"WHAAAAAA hate speech WHHHAAAAA"
Go to the fridge and pour yourselves a BIG glass of "get over it" juice.

A white heterosexual... your life must be hell with all the slurs thrown your way everyday. Poor feller.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 19:38
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:38
Oct 27, 2011, 19:38
 
Prez wrote on Oct 27, 2011, 19:34:
How many of them have to worry about themselves because of the fact that another gay one of them tied to lamppost, beaten, burned and killed in public only 3 days ago? And this wasn't the first or last time it will happen, just because they were gay?


Horrible things happen to blacks, whites, Asians, Hindus, to Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists, to heterosexuals, to everybody every single day. Gays are not special. No one should have to suffer such things, but it's a sad fact of life and human nature that they do and will. We all wish we could end the suffering wrought by evil people - any decent person would, but crying about some stupid, harmless thing some goofball said won't help one bit.

And please don't try to infer that his speech can be considered "inflammatory"; that's just an insultingly stupid notion, just as it was when people suggested it about some goofy developer naming an achievement "Stupid whore" or something.

Well said, Prez.
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Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized
Oct 27, 2011, 19:38
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:38
Oct 27, 2011, 19:38
 
It is comedy... sheesh.
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Oct 27, 2011, 19:36
Re: BlizzCon Hate-Speech Criticized Oct 27, 2011, 19:36
Oct 27, 2011, 19:36
 
WoW is gay and for the most part Cannibal Corpse are for pansies who try to act tough and smell of ball sweat. Hey, I happen to like Cannibal Corpse... seriously... Gallery of Suicide is pretty amazing. And I happen to like WoW for being a ssssilly little bright colored flower game that it is.


It was like Blizz were trying to balance out their identity crisis. Are we evil or are we just gay? More like ultra NERDS.

But, fuck GLADD. They went after Odd Future for using faggot too much... I m not a big fan of that word either but it really doesnt bother me in the context of their songs.

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