id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms

id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms
[Oct 07, 2011, 9:33 pm ET] – Share – Viewing Comments

Kotaku asks the musical question "Why Was The PC Launch of Rage Such A "Cluster!@#$"?," getting answers from id on the topic, who express frustration with problems that were largely caused by driver issues. Along the way they also address how the game being designed for consoles holds back the PC edition. "You can choose to design a game around the specs of a high-end PC and make console versions that fail to hit the design point, or design around the specs of the consoles and have a high-end PC provide incremental quality improvements," John Carmack tells them. "We chose the latter." He also bluntly addresses why this makes sense for id (emphasis Kotaku's):

"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," Carmack added. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it. Nowadays most of the quality of a game comes from the development effort put into it, not the technology it runs on. A game built with a tenth the resources on a platform 10 times as powerful would be an inferior product in almost all cases."

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Re: id On RAGE

Oct 7, 2011, 23:57

^Drag0n^

PHJF wrote on Oct 7, 2011, 23:32:
Wasn't he just quoted saying "In the future we will design for the PC and shave things off for the consoles"?

This... kind of sounds like the opposite.

That was from an interview last summer. Apparently he changed his stance.

While I'm saddened by what he says, it's really no surprise. I'm not sure if id is a company that can have the same impact on consoles as on the PC; people there care even less about the hooplah tied to a new engine; as a whole, the console market is a market of ADD hamsters on meth. It's not "what are you playing?", it's "what are you playing next?"

This comment was edited on Oct 8, 2011, 00:08.




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	1.	Oct 7, 21:39	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	Wallshadows
	3.	Oct 7, 21:42	Re: id On RAGE	Shataan
	4.	Oct 7, 21:45	Re: id On RAGE	Mashiki Amiketo
	2.	Oct 7, 21:40	Sucks	Quboid
	5.	Oct 7, 21:46	Re: Sucks	PropheT
	6.	Oct 7, 21:51	Re: id On RAGE	Dades
	7.	Oct 7, 21:59	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	Pankin
	8.	Oct 7, 22:01	Re: id On RAGE	Draugr
	10.	Oct 7, 22:04	Re: id On RAGE	zincthallinide
	9.	Oct 7, 22:02	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	Creston
	11.	Oct 7, 22:07	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	qsto
	12.	Oct 7, 22:09	Re: id On RAGE	Krovven
	15.	Oct 7, 22:13	Re: id On RAGE	Fibrocyte
	151.	Oct 8, 14:10	Re: id On RAGE	shponglefan
	14.	Oct 7, 22:12	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
	17.	Oct 7, 22:22	Re: id On RAGE	qsto
	18.	Oct 7, 22:30	Re: id On RAGE	TurdFergasun
	13.	Oct 7, 22:11	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	Creston
	16.	Oct 7, 22:16	Re: id On RAGE	sxotty
	19.	Oct 7, 22:32	Re: id On RAGE	Overon
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	120.	Oct 8, 11:16	Re: id On RAGE	Fibrocyte
	250.	Oct 12, 21:34	Re: id On RAGE	Beamer
	24.	Oct 7, 22:44	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
	25.	Oct 7, 22:46	Re: id On RAGE	Teddy
	26.	Oct 7, 23:00	Re: id On RAGE	Elricsi
	35.	Oct 7, 23:31	Re: id On RAGE	Teddy
	37.	Oct 7, 23:32	Re: id On RAGE	PHJF
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	39.	Oct 7, 23:33	Re: id On RAGE	Jerykk
	113.	Oct 8, 09:27	Re: id On RAGE	WaltC
	130.	Oct 8, 12:09	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
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	20.	Oct 7, 22:34	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	Retired
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	32.	Oct 7, 23:26	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
	29.	Oct 7, 23:15	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	cronik
	33.	Oct 7, 23:26	Re: id On RAGE	DNForever
	38.	Oct 7, 23:33	Re: id On RAGE	Mr. Tact
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	67.	Oct 8, 01:03	Re: id On RAGE	KilrathiAce
	74.	Oct 8, 01:29	Re: id On RAGE	^Drag0n^
	68.	Oct 8, 01:05	Re: id On RAGE	PHJF
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	62.	Oct 8, 00:42	Re: id On RAGE	Jerykk
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	70.	Oct 8, 01:10	Re: id On RAGE	RamataKahn
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	86.	Oct 8, 03:27	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	Beaner
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	114.	Oct 8, 09:34	Re: id On RAGE "Cluster!@#$" and Lead Platforms	netnerd85
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	133.	Oct 8, 12:21	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
	136.	Oct 8, 12:38	Re: id On RAGE	Bhruic
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	162.	Oct 8, 16:08	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
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	135.	Oct 8, 12:33	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
	137.	Oct 8, 12:39	Re: id On RAGE	DNForever
	138.	Oct 8, 12:49	Re: id On RAGE	{PH}88fingers
	139.	Oct 8, 12:50	Re: id On RAGE	PHJF
	142.	Oct 8, 12:56	Re: id On RAGE	Animals for Crackers
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	172.	Oct 8, 17:45	Re: id On RAGE	Dmitri_M
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	175.	Oct 8, 18:38	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
	184.	Oct 8, 20:31	Re: id On RAGE	DNForever
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	186.	Oct 8, 21:02	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
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	189.	Oct 8, 21:11	Re: id On RAGE	Creston
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	224.	Oct 9, 05:07	Re: id On RAGE	theyarecomingforyou
	226.	Oct 9, 06:05	Re: id On RAGE	yuastnav
	193.	Oct 8, 22:15	Re: id On RAGE	Ray Marden
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	169.	Oct 8, 17:35	Re: id On RAGE	Ray Marden
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	182.	Oct 8, 20:21	Re: id On RAGE	Mr. Tact
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