True enough, but the probability of a day 1 patch is almost 100%. The days of going gold being a stop to bug fixing are long past.
Beta testing has never been about significant design changes. It's about finding bugs and fixing them.
Two factors there. First off, they aren't focused on testing game modes, they are testing the engine and the networking. Which mode the beta is using isn't really a relevant issue.
Granted, but that's actually an argument against your position. That's why they need to have a large open beta, because it's the only way to ensure that they get enough people posting bugs. Anything smaller, and the 0.001% (really, only 1 out of 100,000 people look for bugs?) would be too few people to spot and report them.
That's what the players use it for. But that's not what Dice is using it for. If all they wanted was a demo, they could have made a demo. And they almost certainly would have made it a demo of a more compelling facet of the game (Conquest mode, for one).
It's something that they perceive as a benefit, certainly. But what I don't understand is how you are trying to use that as an argument against. Using a beta to promote a product is not mutually exclusive with its role as a beta test.
Well, for one, the game is probably gold already. The game comes out this month so the console versions have already been submitted for certification.
I highly doubt they're going to make any significant design changes
In addition, the beta test is focusing on Rush mode, when Conquest is inevitably going to be the more popular mode. It will also be the more complex mode and thus have more bugs, which is why this beta should be focusing on that instead of Rush.
About 0.001% of players will actually look for bugs, try to find consistent repro steps and then submit the bug to the devs.
The vast majority of players are simply using the beta as a demo
which is why EA used it to promote pre-orders and MoH sales
The fact that players have been finding major bugs without even trying is pretty worrisome at this stage of development, as betas are supposed to be pretty polished.
Are you really so desperate to not appear wrong that you're going to split hairs like this? They had always announced that there was going to be an open beta. There was never a stage where the only way to get into the beta was to purchase anything, which is what you claimed.
But what you've yet to accomplish is explaining why them having marketing aimed at early beta access in any way invalidates what's taking place as an actual beta testing phase.
It's not patently false at all. Notice I said that the only way get into the beta was to either buy MoH LE or pre-order BF3
Thus, EA did indeed use the beta as a marketing tool to increase sales of MoH and pre-orders of BF3.
Either way you take it, you are defending the indefensible
And a word of advice to those throwing insults: Insulting the person that insulted you whilst telling them to grow up (attempting to take the moral high ground), just makes you look like a hypocrite
tRens wrote on Oct 3, 2011, 08:20:
I agree with Bill Hicks completely.
Yes it is marketing.. and the game doesn't feel like BF2 did at all. It is just like COD.
Ahem, patently false on that last bit. This is an OPEN beta, I provided nothing to prove that I had pre-ordered the game through NewEgg (not that they would provide any way to give them that info anyway).
All you need to do to get into the beta is to have an EA.com account, tie it to Origin, then go to Store.Origin.com and click the little "play now" button or whatever on BF3's page in the Origin Store. Voila, "Free" Beta test to the game.
Jerykk wrote on Oct 3, 2011, 00:36:I agree completely. But that's why the people who aren't testing, and are only doing things like complaining about what map is available, or what gamemode is available, or whether they can use vehicles aren't doing anything useful. Dice/EA are certainly grateful for the feedback they've been receiving from the people actually testing, and they've said so. The comment the guy made wasn't about those people.
Regardless of who his comments were directed at, testing is never a "privilege" for testers. That's like saying that it's a privilege for someone to do my taxes, clean my toilet, make me a sandwich, etc. That's a privilege for me, not the people actually doing it.
Considering that the only way to get into the "beta" was to either buy the Limited Edition of MoH or pre-order BF3, it seems fairly obvious that the community manager is essentially saying "You guys should be thankful that we're letting you demo the game at all." Emphasis on "demo."
Furthermore, I wouldn't characterize them as complaining about opinions about maps. Have you read their forums? Some of the posts make the worst posters here look almost civil. It was to those posters than the Community Manager was directing his attention.
Bhruic wrote on Oct 3, 2011, 03:41:
[...] And while the Community Manager went a little overboard, having to cater to the insipid twits would be more than I could stomach, so I can completely sympathize.
You can have closed beta tests
I think we need to make a distinction between playtesting and beta testing. Beta testing is supposed to be technical. Testers find bugs and report them, servers get stress tests, etc.
If EA is looking for playtesters, they shouldn't complain when they get opinions about maps.
I believe the marketing he is talking about is the trojan horse method EA is using to get it's Origin game platform off the ground. They are indeed using this beta much more as a marketing tool than any other I can recall.
Unless a beta is completely internal, all beta tests are marketing. There's no way to not have them be, and still get any results. As I've already pointed out once this thread, you can't get mass-market testing without getting mass amounts of people to test.
Again, they are only doing you a favor if they are actually testing. To use the earlier chef example, if people are coming in to try the dish, and leaving without telling you anything about their impressions of it, they aren't helping you at all. And even that Dice/EA are fine with, they are having problems with, to continue the example, people who are coming in, trying the dish, and then complaining because the food isn't the food that they happen to prefer.