yes they should have cut the boss battles. i made it to the 2nd boss and stopped playing the game in disgust, I was enjoying the game rather immensely until the boss fights.

hopefully they'll patch them out in the future and then i'll play the game again.

RPS: Should we expect another Deus Ex game from your studio?

Dugas: I don’t know. I wish were able to do another one. I hope we are going to make another one. But that’s pretty much it for now.

Yes, so do we. We hope you will make another one too. Please? I will pre-order two copies RIGHT NOW if you tell me you will make another one. No...? Okay, I will mail you a hundred dollar check if you say you will make another one!

PLEEEAASSEEEE.

Creston

born2expire wrote on Sep 23, 2011, 13:48:
yes they should have cut the boss battles. i made it to the 2nd boss and stopped playing the game in disgust, I was enjoying the game rather immensely until the boss fights.

hopefully they'll patch them out in the future and then i'll play the game again.

Put two points in typhoon. Bring 3 typhoon ammo. Hit F2 three times when the boss is right beside you. End of boss fight.

I feel the same way you do about the boss fight, but don't let them ruin what's a very good rest of the game. The typhoon is basically there for you to nuke boss fights with.

Creston

I played it for an hour, got frustrated with the cover system, and quit. Thankfully Gamestop gave me a free $50 gift card for purchasing the game from their store.

I'd like to see more powers in general and a revamped energy system at some point but I guess that'll have to wait for another iteration.

The playtesters internally gave us a lot of good feedback for the game, and on the bosses they felt that the fights were entertaining and making you use what you had learned.

The problem is, if you went stealth/non-lethal, "what you had learned" was almost completely useless against the bosses. I still need to finish up the game but so far in this playthrough I've fired more shots in the boss fights than in the rest of the game, and the vast majority of those were for sidequests.

It's interesting, because someone playing a game like that in "testmode" would, imo, react to it differently than someone playing it for fun. Which would make it unsurprising that they'd have different reactions. But at the same time, they said their playtesting was correct everywhere else... Which isn't what I'd expect.

On the subject of the boss battles. Maybe in the next DLC they'll revamp them. Who knows. Frankly the publisher should have known better to do them out of house, especially without filling in the team that made them on what Deus Ex even is. I was blown away that they did these boss battles and had never even heard of Deus Ex.

On topic, I'm really looking forward to this and future DLC. The game is so damn good (besides the boss battles, and for those who never got past them, I recommend you try, it's worth it!) It does devolve toward the end into a more pure combat focused game, but it's true of a great many games in this genre.

Creston wrote on Sep 23, 2011, 13:52:

RPS: Should we expect another Deus Ex game from your studio?

Dugas: I don’t know. I wish were able to do another one. I hope we are going to make another one. But that’s pretty much it for now.

Yes, so do we. We hope you will make another one too. Please? I will pre-order two copies RIGHT NOW if you tell me you will make another one. No...? Okay, I will mail you a hundred dollar check if you say you will make another one!

PLEEEAASSEEEE.

Creston

No kidding. I'd preorder right now, if it's the same team.

This pretty much sums it up: http://thepigskindoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fry-take-my-money.jpg

And yeah, if you don't like the boss battles, typhoon and move on. Easy.

So were those testers console players or PC gamers because I can't imagine any PC gamer who loved the original, and that style of gaming, would find the boss fights entertaining.

As for the first boss, he's not hard to defeat even if you're sneaky/hacky and not using typhoon. Just pick up a gas canister and throw it at him, when he's stunned through the exploding barrels at him. You just need to rinse and repeat once or two times and that's it. You can bring him down without so much as firing a single shot or having to melee him at all. The other 2 bosses do require weaps and/or typhoon though.

I'm betting it's probably Gunther Hermann from the first game. According to the books, Gunther was a member of the Tyrants, the bosses from Deus Ex:HR. Since he is in the first game, you wouldnt be allowed to kill him in this game, and it would be a nice gesture to fans of the first game.

That's exactly it - I really have to wonder who they had for play-testers. Were they just random people they dragged off the street or did they bother engaging and soliciting the feedback of people who had actually played the original game before?

Some people still don't get it. Confronting the people that killed all those employees of Sariff Industries is not the problem (the Boss fight is no the issue). The fact that you have KILL the boss is the problem. You can go throughout the entire game without killing anyone, but you have to KILL the boss. It's a terrible design decision that shows a schziphrenic design which is well explained by the fact that it was designed by another company.

Didn't it occur to anyone that the non lethal option and then only the lethal option for the boss fights, did not go well together? Poor management of the project, the two things don't fit well.

Overon wrote on Sep 23, 2011, 15:00:
Some people still don't get it. Confronting the people that killed all those employees of Sariff Industries is not the problem (the Boss fight is no the issue). The fact that you have KILL the boss is the problem. You can go throughout the entire game without killing anyone, but you have to KILL the boss. It's a terrible design decision that shows a schziphrenic design which is well explained by the fact that it was designed by another company.

Didn't it occur to anyone that the non lethal option and then only the lethal option for the boss fights, did not go well together? Poor management of the project, the two things don't fit well.

I don't know, given that there is storyline treatment (voice acting, writing and even CGI) of the after-effects of the battles, I think there's some merit to the theory that they were written to be confrontational and lethal in nature. Should have they done it that way? Well I think we can all agree that choice is better than none but saying that it was tacked on by another company doesn't seem honest to me. Another company did the design work but it was all clearly story boarded into the game itself.

It's definitely like a sauce.

The thing I hate hate hate about some games is when each boss fight is preceded by a cinematic cutscene after which you are plopped down right in front of said boss. I'm royally annoyed in any game I've ever seen that in. HR made it even worse because of the one second or so delay you're frozen in place, unable to move while the boss charges right at you. Turning off VSync made the delay more tolerable but it's still there even post patch.

I'm not against the concept of boss fights - they don't bug me like they do some here. But I like it when I know they're coming, I have time to prepare, select my weapon, scope out the layout and cover, possible weapons, ammo stores, etc. Doom 3 annoyed me by the long, loving, almost caressful camera shots of each new monster when it made its first appearance - id wanted to make sure we appreciated the gorgeously detailed texture mapping on each of their creations I'm sure - before plopping you down right in front of them. Such an immersion breaker. How many here actually reached the bosses on their first playthrough, without knowing going through such and such door would trigger them, and defeated them without reloading?

Why oh why they decided to use this crappy cinematic throwback for the boss battles I'll never understand. And somebody HAD to have noticed the frozen-in-place problem sometime during development.

I'm not against the concept of boss fights - they don't bug me like they do some here. But I like it when I know they're coming, I have time to prepare, select my weapon, scope out the layout and cover, possible weapons, ammo stores, etc.

I'd agree with that.

Overon wrote on Sep 23, 2011, 15:00:
Some people still don't get it. Confronting the people that killed all those employees of Sariff Industries is not the problem (the Boss fight is no the issue). The fact that you have KILL the boss is the problem.

Why wouldn't Adam kill them? They tore him apart, killed his girlfriend and a bunch of other people, and are apparently coming back for more. Stealth and pacifism is a gameplay mechanic, not a story mechanic, especially for a guy like Adam who's decked out with military grade combat hardware and a chip on his shoulder. Stealthing around and not killing anyone isn't something he's doing because he's some kind of pacifist monk.

I was kinda scared of the first boss fight because I read about it beforehand. And indeed, it ended my five hours or so gaming session after about 20-30 tries and dying very fast in frustratrion.

But the boss fights are ridiculously easy. With typhoon, they are even more easy. There's just some things you need to know about each boss. All bosses can be stunned with the stun gun, which helps a lot.

For the first boss, you stun him and then run around throwing every barrel at your disposal at him, and he will go down.
The second boss gets stunned and just gunned down or killed with the help of the generators at the side. Also, this is pretty much the only occasion where the Track'n'mark aug is useful, because you know exactly where she is when she is stealthed. She can easily go down in a few seconds.
The last boss requires some more shooting and hiding behind columns. But he also can be killed in a few seconds with a takedown if you time it right (you need to takedown him right after he jumps over the wall and I think it must be while he is in midair or he will counter... it's on YouTube somewhere

coldcut wrote on Sep 23, 2011, 16:09:
I was kinda scared of the first boss fight because I read about it beforehand. And indeed, it ended my five hours or so gaming session after about 20-30 tries and dying very fast in frustratrion.

But the boss fights are ridiculously easy. With typhoon, they are even more easy. There's just some things you need to know about each boss. All bosses can be stunned with the stun gun, which helps a lot.

For the first boss, you stun him and then run around throwing every barrel at your disposal at him, and he will go down.
The second boss gets stunned and just gunned down or killed with the help of the generators at the side. Also, this is pretty much the only occasion where the Track'n'mark aug is useful, because you know exactly where she is when she is stealthed. She can easily go down in a few seconds.
The last boss requires some more shooting and hiding behind columns. But he also can be killed in a few seconds with a takedown if you time it right (you need to takedown him right after he jumps over the wall and I think it must be while he is in midair or he will counter... it's on YouTube somewhere

I didn't even move or take damage while fighting the third boss.