Battlefield 3 Beta Has "Hundreds" of Changes from Alpha

After visiting DICE last week, VG247 has word that the Battlefield 3 beta test promised for this month is likely still on track, and will include "hundreds" of changes and fixes since the alpha trial edition of the military shooter sequel. "Everything from gun-balancing to the placement of the objectives on the Rush map; we actually moved them around based on [the fact] that the first base was quite hard to take. We are still moving things around on that map to utilise feedback from the alpha. That’s why we’re doing it. It’s not to market the game, it’s actually to test it in a proper way. There are hundreds of things that we’ve changed since the alpha, DICE's Patrick Bach says. "Again, to the beta question, we are releasing the beta before the game and we are actually changing stuff based on that before we ship the game, even though you could argue that that’s very late close to the ship of the game, we will still have time to do, for instance, day one patches and changes to the Battlelog that will actually be game-changing." Access to the Windows version of the beta will be is guaranteed for those who preorder the game from the Origin Website.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has "Hundreds" of Changes from Alpha
Sep 6, 2011, 11:55
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has "Hundreds" of Changes from Alpha Sep 6, 2011, 11:55
Sep 6, 2011, 11:55
 
Everything from gun-balancing to the placement of the objectives on the Rush map;

Every round on the map will be the same. Same starting points and same objectives. That gets old fast.
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Sep 6, 2011, 12:25
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Sep 6, 2011, 12:25
 
It's a level playing field, each match is always different because of the players. Sometimes a team will get steamrolled, other rounds I have seen it bitterly contested to the last ticket.
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Sep 6, 2011, 12:32
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Re: Bulletstorm Using GFWL [Updated] Sep 6, 2011, 12:32
Sep 6, 2011, 12:32
 
Kind of pointless though, since its on Origin and requires Origin to even run. Pretty much everyone I know has already written this game off as a skip because of that. DICE should get away from EA and go back to endlessly rewriting the same pinball game over and over again.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has "Hundreds" of Changes from Alpha
Sep 6, 2011, 12:35
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has "Hundreds" of Changes from Alpha Sep 6, 2011, 12:35
Sep 6, 2011, 12:35
 El Pit
 
1. Fixed a bug where some players were able to play without installing Origin. Fixed that FIRST.
2. Took out the most popular two levels. Those will be released later as DLCs. $4.99 each.
3. Took out the ability to mod. Especially to mod hats. Hats will be released later as DLCs. $0.99 each.
4. Made Origin more intrusive. If you got a webcam, we're going to activate it to watch you playing Origin BF3 in your underwear in your parents' basement.
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Sep 6, 2011, 12:41
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Sep 6, 2011, 12:41
 
Ah the BF3 / Origin haters are back..
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Re: Bulletstorm Using GFWL [Updated]
Sep 6, 2011, 12:45
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Re: Bulletstorm Using GFWL [Updated] Sep 6, 2011, 12:45
Sep 6, 2011, 12:45
 
Kind of pointless though, since its on Steam and requires Steam to even run. Pretty much everyone I know has already written this game off as a skip because of that. Kotick should get away from Activision and go back to endlessly rewriting the same bowling game over and over again.

Your rant is modular, nifty.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 12:49
Verno
 
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Sep 6, 2011, 12:49
 Verno
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 6, 2011, 12:41:
Ah the BF3 / Origin haters are back..

Give it a rest already, sheesh. I have some very legitimate beefs with the game and the things supporting it that I experienced first hand in the alpha. Most people are upset and airing grievances because they want them changed so that they can buy and enjoy BF3. I think you'll find very few people who are "hating" just for the sake of it and they're not really worth the time it takes to type a post in response.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 13:08
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Sep 6, 2011, 13:08
 
I already have my copy pre-ordered--through Origin. The game was pretty much a guaranteed purchase, so I figured I'll at least try the Origin service out and see what it's like, and get a few shiny extras in the process.

The only thing I'm really hoping they either remove or modify is the spotting system. In the Alpha it was identical to the system in Bad Company 2, and I bloody hate it. They could add a cool-down to the spotting, make it mini-map only, or even make it a fixed position marker....just, anything to keep it from acting as a spammable all seeing eye.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 13:09
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has Sep 6, 2011, 13:09
Sep 6, 2011, 13:09
 
Alpha has no bearing on any legitimate beefs about BF3, if you had any legitimate beef it would be any issues from the Alpha that are in the final release. Or in the beta, which you can't even judge yet.

And if you want to have Alpha bugs fixed then theres official forums for that... Stuff like spotting and balancing is beta stuff though...
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 13:22
Verno
 
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Sep 6, 2011, 13:22
 Verno
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 6, 2011, 13:09:
Alpha has no bearing on any legitimate beefs about BF3, if you had any legitimate beef it would be any issues from the Alpha that are in the final release. Or in the beta, which you can't even judge yet.

What an obnoxious response. You aren't the judge of what is allowed for discussion around here. Some people want to hear about the positives and negatives with Origin, battlelog, the alpha and whatever else people want to talk about related to BF3. For right or wrong many people might even begin to form purchase decisions based on it. If you want to hear only positive posts about BF3 and Origin then there are forums for that I'm sure. Some of us want more balanced discussion and if you don't like it then tough shit.
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Re: Bulletstorm Using GFWL [Updated]
Sep 6, 2011, 13:44
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Sep 6, 2011, 13:44
 
Vektuz wrote on Sep 6, 2011, 12:32:
Kind of pointless though, since its on Origin and requires Origin to even run. Pretty much everyone I know has already written this game off as a skip because of that. DICE should get away from EA and go back to endlessly rewriting the same pinball game over and over again.
Wait, so if it wasn't on Origin, you and pretty much all of the people you know would have been all over it, BUT since it's on Origin it's a the same old boring BF?

The notion you're boycotting it because of an annoying game service is one thing, but then your contradiction puts your childish standpoint over the edge.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 13:50
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Sep 6, 2011, 13:50
 
I think you are confused. as I don't care what you post about or think your are allowed or not. Unless you break an NDA with the goal to bash BF3 based on its Alpha while promoting RO2 as a substitute. Sure you can like RO2 more and all that, but drawing comparisons between the bf3 alpha and the RO2 release candidate? Thats just lame

And for the record, thats what i meant. Bashing BF3 based on its Alpha is lame as hell, comparing the alpha to an other games final version is even lamer.

But then, you have a point in that legitimate complaints have their place and should be there

But most Origin complaints are hilariously stupid. Just read this topic! ;p

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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 13:54
Verno
 
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Sep 6, 2011, 13:54
 Verno
 
Origin stuff

Origin itself isn't even bad per se, it's just very barebones and doesn't really have feature parity with other clients like Steam. I'm more concerned with the tertiary support stuff related to BF3. In terms of BF3 itself though the alpha map they chose was very uninspired in design, hopefully the beta is more ambitious. BC2 changed a lot from beta to retail so hopefully the situation is similar here.

Sure you can like RO2 more and all that, but drawing comparisons between the bf3 alpha and the RO2 release candidate? Thats just lame

And for the record, thats what i meant. Bashing BF3 based on its Alpha is lame as hell

Discussion that you disagree with isn't the same thing as bashing (I didn't even make that post in this thread) and people are going to relate their experiences with the products regardless of what label the developer puts on them.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 14:05
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Sep 6, 2011, 14:05
 
Unless the changes involve an in game server browser instead of the god aweful web based one and preferably steam support I'm not interested. It's sad that bad decisions and politics have ruined this game for me, but they have.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has "Hundreds" of Changes from Alpha
Sep 6, 2011, 14:18
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I guess we'll have to wait till it's released to beta test the other maps included with the game.

Operation Metro again for the beta it sounds like, hope they have at least one conquest map in there too.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has "Hundreds" of Changes from Alpha
Sep 6, 2011, 14:33
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Sep 6, 2011, 14:33
 
too much shenanigans on this one.. im on the fence till i see a bunch of reviews
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 14:41
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Sep 6, 2011, 14:41
 
Respen wrote on Sep 6, 2011, 14:05:
Unless the changes involve an in game server browser instead of the god aweful web based one and preferably steam support I'm not interested. It's sad that bad decisions and politics have ruined this game for me, but they have.

I thought the web server browser was generally considered better than any in-game server browser DICE had ever made. I don't actually know because I only used the quick join button.
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Sep 6, 2011, 14:45
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Sep 6, 2011, 14:45
 Verno
 
briktal wrote on Sep 6, 2011, 14:41:
I thought the web server browser was generally considered better than any in-game server browser DICE had ever made. I don't actually know because I only used the quick join button.

It is for sure but that bar is pretty low considering the state of BF server browsers over the years. Even the BC2 one after the patches would be best described as clunky. I didn't mind Battlelog personally because it's functional and even has a few good ideas but I don't care for installing 2 separate browser plugins and still requiring the use of Origin.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 14:47
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Sep 6, 2011, 14:47
 
Respen wrote on Sep 6, 2011, 14:05:
Unless the changes involve an in game server browser instead of the god aweful web based one and preferably steam support I'm not interested. It's sad that bad decisions and politics have ruined this game for me, but they have.
It's sad that you put so much merit into some outside components of a game, that you're not even willing to see if the GAME itself is any good or not. I could understand if the game was shit, but unless you've played the alpha/beta, you would have no way of knowing. So you're solely basing this off of how bad you think Origin and the server browser may be. That's just being ignorant to rage about something.
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Re: Battlefield 3 Beta Has
Sep 6, 2011, 15:05
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Sep 6, 2011, 15:05
 
Well, has there been an official explanation of the 2 year Expiring time on Origin yet?

**EDIT: TL/DR version: yes, ToS updated August 25,2011. **

Aka is it definitively:

1) After 2 years of non use of an individual GAME, you lose that GAME.
[From my reading of the ToS, apparently this IS the case.]

2) After 2 years of non-use of your ACCOUNT, you lose ALL games.
[Also from the ToS, yes this is the case.]

3) Then the killer aspect: even if you use your ACCOUNT, if you don't use each individual GAME(and remember almost all previous EA games are now Origin games), then you lose each of those GAMES, regardless of how active your total Origin account is.
[From my reading of the ToS, this is the case.]

ToS Here

**Search for 24. It is under Chapter 5 Content and Entitlement Availability. ** OLD ToS!?!?

*EDIT*Hrm, holy shit, they seem to have updated this to remove the 2 year thing.

Of course, it still says content/Entitlements (what a horrible legal term) will be removed at their disgression, but the 2 year thing appears to have been removed since August 25, 2011. Hesitant "yay" on my part.

Well, BF3 has gone from being a boycott back to at the very least a bargain bin game...

For the record, old ToS verion from June:
"We do not guarantee that any Content or Entitlement will be available at all times or at any given time or that we will continue to offer particular Content or Entitlements for any particular length of time. We reserve the right to change and update Content and Entitlements without notice to you. If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use."

New version (August 25th):
"We do not guarantee that any Content or Entitlement will be available at all times, in all countries and/or geographic locations, or at any given time or that we will continue to offer particular Content or Entitlements for any particular length of time. We reserve the right to change and update Content and Entitlements without notice to you. Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for cash, or other goods or services. "


Internet lawyers, feel free to say if the August version is better or worse, it sounds worse, but there is no time stamp expire clause...
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