Ecthelion wrote on Aug 29, 2011, 14:15:

Verno wrote on Aug 29, 2011, 11:46:
Arkham Asylum was perfectly playable with both the gamepad and KB/M, which you choose is a matter of preference. I will say that I preferred the gamepad simply for some feedback in that game but a friend of mine using the KB/M was pulling off ridiculous combos that put most gamepad players to shame, so they each have their ups and downs.

I only used the KB/M, and I managed to get some pretty crazy combos in the challenge maps after tons and tons of practice (I ended up getting all the achievements actually, once of which involved getting a perfect string of combos). It's probably possible on gamepads as well, but they were perfectly doable with KB/M. In general I prefer KB/M to gamepads even when the game isn't really designed for KB/M. However, I can certainly understand the appeal of playing on the couch with a gamepad. I happen to like gaming at a desk, but I realize many people think that's crazy.

I found GFWL to be unobtrusive in AA, so I didn't really care one way or the other about its inclusion in AC. However, if it's removal gets more PC gamers to buy the game, I'm glad it happened. More people need to realize what a great game the original (and hopefully the sequel) was, and I'd like to see them make more sequels as long as they can keep the stories top-notch.

Also, the cover art I've seen in the past definitely included the GFWL logo, so its removal is certainly newsworthy.

Muscular Beaver wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 09:01:

TurdFergasun wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 07:57:

Jerykk wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 06:09:

You don't honestly believe that M/KB is the ideal control scheme for every genre of game, do you? Some genres (like racing and fighting) are simply better suited to alternate controllers. Technically, you don't need to use a gamepad for any PC game. However, if you refuse to use anything but M/KB, you won't be getting the optimal experience in some genres.

fighting and sports games are the only type of games that benefit from a control pad. racing, if you have been behind the wheel of an actual vehicle (which if you haven't your opinion is useless to begin with) should be done with a force feedback wheel. There are some racing games, that are crap with either wheel, kbm, or control pad, but those are incredibly shitty games to begin with and should be shunned like poison.

Agreed 100%.
I tried racing games with a gamepad for a while and then I got sick of it. I tried a joystick and it was much better, but then I got a wheel and its fantastic.

Its all about how the developer gets the controls done. If its a cheap console port, the controls with M/KB will suck, even on a shooter. That wont mean I will ever use a controller instead, just because the developer/publisher were too cheap to make a proper PC version.

Oh and I sold my controller again as well. I simply dont have any games on the PC that justify it. And I wont buy em either.

Verno wrote on Aug 29, 2011, 11:46:
Arkham Asylum was perfectly playable with both the gamepad and KB/M, which you choose is a matter of preference. I will say that I preferred the gamepad simply for some feedback in that game but a friend of mine using the KB/M was pulling off ridiculous combos that put most gamepad players to shame, so they each have their ups and downs.

Mordecai Walfish wrote on Aug 29, 2011, 05:27:
The box they were talking about did not, in fact have a "Games for Windows LIVE" branding on it. It was just "Games for Windows", a program Microsoft has run for a long time.

Don't even know why this is newsworthy.

Slashman wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 20:36:

Stolk wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 19:32:
So, what does everyone here plan on doing when the PC dies? Slit wrist?

What do you plan on doing when it's still around more than a decade from now? Jump off bridge?

If a PC and an Xbox can run the exact same game, and, let's be honest here, it doesn't look all that different, why WOULDN'T I switch if I had a KBM option? The differences in visuals are minutae.

And the advantage of playing in a bigger screen with a better sound system is very compelling.

The hardware is cheaper. The games can be sold/traded. There are far fewer bugs. I can rent a game before I buy it...or choose only to rent it for a once- through.

Stolk wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 19:32:
So, what does everyone here plan on doing when the PC dies? Slit wrist?

Slashman wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 11:47:
Just Cause 2 is a perfect example of a console game that was vastly superior on the PC.

In the end...it's not a matter of being a snob...to me it's just common sense.

^Drag0n^ wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 10:03:
Sorry, Krovven, but I'd have to agree with El Pit on this. If a PC and an Xbox can run the exact same game, and, let's be honest here..

El Pit wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 07:16:
I hate this "Press X and double press O" stuff. A great thing about Batman: AA is, that the kb/m controls were amazing. And not "inferior" at all.

^Drag0n^ wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 10:03:

Krovven wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 04:24:

El Pit wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 03:32:
If I could control the games on a PS3 or X360 with kb/m, I'd buy a console

Why would I waste money on a 360 when I can play the majority of those games on the PC with better graphics and still be using either kb/mouse or the 360 gamepad depending on the game?

Your reasoning is simply idiotic.

Sorry, Krovven, but I'd have to agree with El Pit on this. If a PC and an Xbox can run the exact same game, and, let's be honest here, it doesn't look all that different, why WOULDN'T I switch if I had a KBM option? The differences in visuals are minutae. And the advantage of playing in a bigger screen with a better sound system is very compelling.

The hardware is cheaper. The games can be sold/traded. There are far fewer bugs. I can rent a game before I buy it...or choose only to rent it for a once- through.

There are really only 2 things holding me back:

1. They don't have KBM controls.
2. Customized matchmaking such that I play people I want to.

And (1) leads (2) by far as (2) is more application dependent.

Right now I have both. I play probably 95% of my games on a PC, but I do enjoy Red Dead Redemption on my 360.

Just my $0.02

^D^

let's be honest here, it doesn't look all that different,

The differences in visuals are minutae.

Krovven wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 04:24:

El Pit wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 03:32:
If I could control the games on a PS3 or X360 with kb/m, I'd buy a console

Why would I waste money on a 360 when I can play the majority of those games on the PC with better graphics and still be using either kb/mouse or the 360 gamepad depending on the game?

Your reasoning is simply idiotic.

TurdFergasun wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 07:57:

Jerykk wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 06:09:

You don't honestly believe that M/KB is the ideal control scheme for every genre of game, do you? Some genres (like racing and fighting) are simply better suited to alternate controllers. Technically, you don't need to use a gamepad for any PC game. However, if you refuse to use anything but M/KB, you won't be getting the optimal experience in some genres.

fighting and sports games are the only type of games that benefit from a control pad. racing, if you have been behind the wheel of an actual vehicle (which if you haven't your opinion is useless to begin with) should be done with a force feedback wheel. There are some racing games, that are crap with either wheel, kbm, or control pad, but those are incredibly shitty games to begin with and should be shunned like poison.