Let's hear it for sensible copy protection!

Hell yeah!

That's cool because I sooo want this game but wasn't going to buy because of the 1st reports of shitty DRM. WooT! Let's hope Deep Silver stays true to Risen.

I know some people will hate this, but I for one find it great news. I think Steam is great.

Probably end up being like all other steam DRM. Only needed for activation once after that you can run it from the steamapps without loading steam. I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.

fucking garbage. not buying this then.

Razorclaw wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:35:
fucking garbage. not buying this then.

There's always one

verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.

Because they do not like DRM at all? Besides, there will be a crack less than 24 hours after the release, so that you can make the game you bought youre OWN game for eternity.

People should be avoiding it because the game will be shit, not because of DRM.

Rattlehead wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:12:
People should be avoiding it because the game will be shit, not because of DRM.

I might have to agree, I’m very skeptical about this being a Pirate themed game. I would rather they stick to what worked in the past and go with a more fantasy themed game with lots of dungeons and creatures. I always hate the NPC garbage and drama that goes with them.

I bought Risen 1 and it was a shadow of what Gothic 2 was unfortunately. Everything basically "worked" but the tiny island and surprisingly tedious major quests left me bored.

Darks wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:16:
I might have to agree, I’m very skeptical about this being a Pirate themed game. I would rather they stick to what worked in the past and go with a more fantasy themed game with lots of dungeons and creatures. I always hate the NPC garbage and drama that goes with them.

And when people post about craving innovation and being bored of modern military shooters and Tolkien-esque fantasy, you are the gamer I mention. The gamer who wants the same fantasy setting over and over and over again.

I mean christ, pirates isn't unique either, but at least it's not knights and castles again for fuck's sake.

verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.

Well for one thing your claim it is the most non-invasive is not a fact. For people like me who have no desire to have Steam constantly running on their PC it is in fact very invasive compared to some other DRM methods. Whereas a recent game like Dragon Age 2 requires a one-time online activation to my EA account and can then be run on its own offline whenever I want, Steam requires me to boot up the Steam client every time I want to play. That right there makes Steam more invasive.

People who claim it is the easiest and least invasive DRM method are usually people who have it running all the time and don't have to deal with it's long boot time every time they play a game.

All that aside though I don't really care in the end. DRM free versions of everything are online for when I need them, if I ever do.

amazon will typically sell non-drm digital versions of games that require absolutely no "phone home" software. You run the amazon download client for downloading and that's it. You may have to wait many months for a particular game to appear though. A handy alternative to Steam imho if you are patient for releases.

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If there's going to be DRM, I personally prefer Steam over the alternatives.

DRM aside, if the combat in this game is anything like Risen or Gothic 3 (haven't played the other Gothics), then I'm skipping this. Those games were so similar, it was basically the same game reskinned and I'm thinking this sequel will be no different. For those who haven't played those two titles, allow me to explain the combat. No matter what you are fighting--deer, human, monster--when you swing, the mob jumps back and you will miss about 50% of the time, unless you have them backed into a wall or other object. If they can't back up then you can combo them repeatedly without taking any damage yourself. If they aren't near a wall, just use a long weapon like a halberd and, even though they still jump back, they usually don't have a weapon that can reach you so you get away unscathed. It's the same tedious tactic throughout the entire game. Any other method had only lead to my demise, and it was incredibly easy to die in Gothic 3 and Risen.

Good. It's a far better solution than that Tages horseshit you STILL have on the first game.

Creston

Icewind wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 14:10:

StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:37:

verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.

Well for one thing your claim it is the most non-invasive is not a fact. For people like me who have no desire to have Steam constantly running on their PC it is in fact very invasive compared to some other DRM methods. Whereas a recent game like Dragon Age 2 requires a one-time online activation to my EA account and can then be run on its own offline whenever I want, Steam requires me to boot up the Steam client every time I want to play. That right there makes Steam more invasive.

People who claim it is the easiest and least invasive DRM method are usually people who have it running all the time and don't have to deal with it's long boot time every time they play a game.

All that aside though I don't really care in the end. DRM free versions of everything are online for when I need them, if I ever do.

Internet and PC neophytes like you crack me up, Velvet boy.

Long boot times? How slow is your PC? Are you running something from the stone age?

Steam *is* the least invasive out there. Plus unlike any other DRM, you can buy games for less than 5 bucks when they are 10x that in retail.

I love laughing at the anti-steam pussy sniffers like you. All the cock-sucking little pansy ass fuckers that think Steam is some boogy man out to rape their virgin assholes.

Fucking pussy.

Valve fanboy much? Like all that vitrol is really needed? For me personally I don't much care for steam, much like I don't care for any drm invasive or not. When you can crack a game most times before its even on store shelves why bother with any sort of DRM in the first place?

At least for your sake I hope you ask Gabe to use a condom before you let him bend you over and plow you. It never ceases to amaze me the crap some will spew out of their mouths when defending either Blizzard or Valve.

you can go to steamapps folder and open commonapps and make your own shortcuts and outside of VALVE and some online games you do NOT NEED STEAM LOADED. just for the activation one time that's it.

Icewind wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 14:10:
Internet and PC neophytes like you crack me up, Velvet boy.

Long boot times? How slow is your PC? Are you running something from the stone age?

Steam *is* the least invasive out there. Plus unlike any other DRM, you can buy games for less than 5 bucks when they are 10x that in retail.

I love laughing at the anti-steam pussy sniffers like you. All the cock-sucking little pansy ass fuckers that think Steam is some boogy man out to rape their virgin assholes.

Fucking pussy.

Do you think this kind of personality is doing you any favors? Honestly? Does your wife realize this is who you really are when given anonymity and no restrictions on what you say?

As for the only actual technical issue you addressed, no it does not take THAT long for Steam to boot up, but it takes a hell of a lot fucking longer than just double clicking a simple exe without DRM on it does.