On Risen 2 DRM

The World of Risen Forums have an update from Deep Silver on copy protection in Risen 2: Dark Waters, saying the upcoming pirate-themed action/RPG sequel will use Steamworks in all territories to secure their game (thanks Shacknews). He outlines the priorities that lead to this decision, saying they sought a system providing a combination of security, compatibility, comfort, support, and reliability. Here's the outline of how the game's DRM will work:
Steam offers an automated update system which allows all customers to play the latest version of Risen 2 since all patches will be delivered automatically to their PC. Steam has been running stable on millions of PCs out there, so it provides the reliability we need. The digital copy of Risen 2 will also not require two different copy protections on Steam (compared to Risen 1).

Risen 2 will be playable without a DVD in the drive if the product has been added to a Steam account (Steam accounts are free) and will be available for download on other PCs if you’re on the move and still want to play Risen 2. The Steam account itself has been further fortified by the optional Steam Guard system which adds another layer of security. Steam also offers a big array of community features: chats, game groups, achievements and the player can even upload up to 1000 screenshots to share his/her experience in the world of Risen 2. All those features convinced us that Steam offers the right package of features, reliability and security for us.

Naturally we also wanted to keep the restrictions, which are part of any copy protection, as unobtrusive as possible. You will only be required to be online once – to link your game to your Steam account and afterwards you will be able to play offline and without DVD in the drive. You will also be able to install Risen 2 from your Steam account on as many systems you like.
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Jul 26, 2011, 11:22
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Let's hear it for sensible copy protection!

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Jul 26, 2011, 11:44
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Jul 26, 2011, 11:44
 
Hell yeah!
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Jul 26, 2011, 12:19
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Jul 26, 2011, 12:19
 
That's cool because I sooo want this game but wasn't going to buy because of the 1st reports of shitty DRM. WooT! Let's hope Deep Silver stays true to Risen.
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Jul 26, 2011, 12:24
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I know some people will hate this, but I for one find it great news. I think Steam is great.
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Jul 26, 2011, 12:27
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Probably end up being like all other steam DRM. Only needed for activation once after that you can run it from the steamapps without loading steam. I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.
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Jul 26, 2011, 12:35
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fucking garbage. not buying this then.
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Jul 26, 2011, 12:46
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Razorclaw wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:35:
fucking garbage. not buying this then.

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verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.
Because they do not like DRM at all? Besides, there will be a crack less than 24 hours after the release, so that you can make the game you bought youre OWN game for eternity.
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People should be avoiding it because the game will be shit, not because of DRM.
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Rattlehead wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:12:
People should be avoiding it because the game will be shit, not because of DRM.

I might have to agree, I’m very skeptical about this being a Pirate themed game. I would rather they stick to what worked in the past and go with a more fantasy themed game with lots of dungeons and creatures. I always hate the NPC garbage and drama that goes with them.
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Jul 26, 2011, 13:28
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I bought Risen 1 and it was a shadow of what Gothic 2 was unfortunately. Everything basically "worked" but the tiny island and surprisingly tedious major quests left me bored.
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Darks wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:16:
I might have to agree, I’m very skeptical about this being a Pirate themed game. I would rather they stick to what worked in the past and go with a more fantasy themed game with lots of dungeons and creatures. I always hate the NPC garbage and drama that goes with them.

And when people post about craving innovation and being bored of modern military shooters and Tolkien-esque fantasy, you are the gamer I mention. The gamer who wants the same fantasy setting over and over and over again.

I mean christ, pirates isn't unique either, but at least it's not knights and castles again for fuck's sake.
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Jul 26, 2011, 13:37
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verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.

Well for one thing your claim it is the most non-invasive is not a fact. For people like me who have no desire to have Steam constantly running on their PC it is in fact very invasive compared to some other DRM methods. Whereas a recent game like Dragon Age 2 requires a one-time online activation to my EA account and can then be run on its own offline whenever I want, Steam requires me to boot up the Steam client every time I want to play. That right there makes Steam more invasive.

People who claim it is the easiest and least invasive DRM method are usually people who have it running all the time and don't have to deal with it's long boot time every time they play a game.

All that aside though I don't really care in the end. DRM free versions of everything are online for when I need them, if I ever do.
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amazon will typically sell non-drm digital versions of games that require absolutely no "phone home" software. You run the amazon download client for downloading and that's it. You may have to wait many months for a particular game to appear though. A handy alternative to Steam imho if you are patient for releases.
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If there's going to be DRM, I personally prefer Steam over the alternatives.

DRM aside, if the combat in this game is anything like Risen or Gothic 3 (haven't played the other Gothics), then I'm skipping this. Those games were so similar, it was basically the same game reskinned and I'm thinking this sequel will be no different. For those who haven't played those two titles, allow me to explain the combat. No matter what you are fighting--deer, human, monster--when you swing, the mob jumps back and you will miss about 50% of the time, unless you have them backed into a wall or other object. If they can't back up then you can combo them repeatedly without taking any damage yourself. If they aren't near a wall, just use a long weapon like a halberd and, even though they still jump back, they usually don't have a weapon that can reach you so you get away unscathed. It's the same tedious tactic throughout the entire game. Any other method had only lead to my demise, and it was incredibly easy to die in Gothic 3 and Risen.
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Jul 26, 2011, 14:43
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Good. It's a far better solution than that Tages horseshit you STILL have on the first game.

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Jul 26, 2011, 14:50
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Icewind wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 14:10:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:37:
verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.

Well for one thing your claim it is the most non-invasive is not a fact. For people like me who have no desire to have Steam constantly running on their PC it is in fact very invasive compared to some other DRM methods. Whereas a recent game like Dragon Age 2 requires a one-time online activation to my EA account and can then be run on its own offline whenever I want, Steam requires me to boot up the Steam client every time I want to play. That right there makes Steam more invasive.

People who claim it is the easiest and least invasive DRM method are usually people who have it running all the time and don't have to deal with it's long boot time every time they play a game.

All that aside though I don't really care in the end. DRM free versions of everything are online for when I need them, if I ever do.

Internet and PC neophytes like you crack me up, Velvet boy.

Long boot times? How slow is your PC? Are you running something from the stone age?

Steam *is* the least invasive out there. Plus unlike any other DRM, you can buy games for less than 5 bucks when they are 10x that in retail.

I love laughing at the anti-steam pussy sniffers like you. All the cock-sucking little pansy ass fuckers that think Steam is some boogy man out to rape their virgin assholes.

Fucking pussy.

Valve fanboy much? Like all that vitrol is really needed? For me personally I don't much care for steam, much like I don't care for any drm invasive or not. When you can crack a game most times before its even on store shelves why bother with any sort of DRM in the first place?

At least for your sake I hope you ask Gabe to use a condom before you let him bend you over and plow you. It never ceases to amaze me the crap some will spew out of their mouths when defending either Blizzard or Valve.
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:02
 
you can go to steamapps folder and open commonapps and make your own shortcuts and outside of VALVE and some online games you do NOT NEED STEAM LOADED. just for the activation one time that's it.
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:14
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Icewind wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 14:10:
Internet and PC neophytes like you crack me up, Velvet boy.

Long boot times? How slow is your PC? Are you running something from the stone age?

Steam *is* the least invasive out there. Plus unlike any other DRM, you can buy games for less than 5 bucks when they are 10x that in retail.

I love laughing at the anti-steam pussy sniffers like you. All the cock-sucking little pansy ass fuckers that think Steam is some boogy man out to rape their virgin assholes.

Fucking pussy.

Do you think this kind of personality is doing you any favors? Honestly? Does your wife realize this is who you really are when given anonymity and no restrictions on what you say?

As for the only actual technical issue you addressed, no it does not take THAT long for Steam to boot up, but it takes a hell of a lot fucking longer than just double clicking a simple exe without DRM on it does.
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