On Risen 2 DRM

The World of Risen Forums have an update from Deep Silver on copy protection in Risen 2: Dark Waters, saying the upcoming pirate-themed action/RPG sequel will use Steamworks in all territories to secure their game (thanks Shacknews). He outlines the priorities that lead to this decision, saying they sought a system providing a combination of security, compatibility, comfort, support, and reliability. Here's the outline of how the game's DRM will work:
Steam offers an automated update system which allows all customers to play the latest version of Risen 2 since all patches will be delivered automatically to their PC. Steam has been running stable on millions of PCs out there, so it provides the reliability we need. The digital copy of Risen 2 will also not require two different copy protections on Steam (compared to Risen 1).

Risen 2 will be playable without a DVD in the drive if the product has been added to a Steam account (Steam accounts are free) and will be available for download on other PCs if you’re on the move and still want to play Risen 2. The Steam account itself has been further fortified by the optional Steam Guard system which adds another layer of security. Steam also offers a big array of community features: chats, game groups, achievements and the player can even upload up to 1000 screenshots to share his/her experience in the world of Risen 2. All those features convinced us that Steam offers the right package of features, reliability and security for us.

Naturally we also wanted to keep the restrictions, which are part of any copy protection, as unobtrusive as possible. You will only be required to be online once – to link your game to your Steam account and afterwards you will be able to play offline and without DVD in the drive. You will also be able to install Risen 2 from your Steam account on as many systems you like.
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Jul 26, 2011, 18:44
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In any case it's not a huge deal and I agree with everything else you said, but I very much disagree it is the least intrusive. A DRM that activates at install and then never needs to be seen again is the least intrusive, and Steam is not that.

Um that is what steam does for DRM. the rest is a chat client/store. it only activates once you do not need to be online unless you are using steamworks and saving on steam cloud.
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Jul 26, 2011, 18:17
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Jul 26, 2011, 18:17
 
Gothic 1/2 being up amongst myh faves. Risen, however, sucked balls.

That doesn't really make any sense to me. Risen was basically Gothic, with better controls and UI. I loved Gothic 1 & 2 and thought Risen was good. The only area where it faltered was in the story and characters, which were less interesting than G1/2.
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Jul 26, 2011, 18:16
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 18:16
Jul 26, 2011, 18:16
 
Don't like this news, not a fan of Steam at all. Much prefer GamersGate, activate the game once and simply play.

Risen 1 was nice but with the Steam news as a solid negative, Risen 2 will have to be VERY good for me to buy it.
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Jul 26, 2011, 17:58
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 17:58
Jul 26, 2011, 17:58
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:35:
Darks wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:16:
I might have to agree, I’m very skeptical about this being a Pirate themed game. I would rather they stick to what worked in the past and go with a more fantasy themed game with lots of dungeons and creatures. I always hate the NPC garbage and drama that goes with them.

And when people post about craving innovation and being bored of modern military shooters and Tolkien-esque fantasy, you are the gamer I mention. The gamer who wants the same fantasy setting over and over and over again.

I mean christ, pirates isn't unique either, but at least it's not knights and castles again for fuck's sake.

News flash for you Velvet, there is nothing new or innovative anymore. it’s all been there and done that already. Everything is a rehash of something so get used to it or fucking quit playing games.

Either way, stops your fricking whining already.
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM
Jul 26, 2011, 17:30
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 17:30
Jul 26, 2011, 17:30
 
Creston wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 16:21:
Cutter wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:41:
What does any of this matter when none of you are going to play this title anyway? Risen sucked...badly. No one has any interest in seeing a sequel of more, or possibly even greater suckage.

I know it's hard to believe, Cutter, but not everyone hates every single game in existence like you do.

I thought Risen was alright. I'll definitely pick up Risen 2 at some point.

Creston

WTH are you talking about? I certainly may be more discerning than most and won't play just any old slop or the gaming equivilant of reality tv but there are still plenty of games that I like. Gothic 1/2 being up amongst myh faves. Risen, however, sucked balls.
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM
Jul 26, 2011, 17:29
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 17:29
Jul 26, 2011, 17:29
 
Satoru wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:54:
2) I HATE STEAM. Ok.. .fine. But why? Usually it's 'because it runs in the background', like your IM client, Skype, etc. so why single Steam out? You could always not have Steam running on startup and kill it when you finish playing if that's your cup of tea. Or it falls into the I HATE DRM, scheme so refer above.

It's a simple matter of convienence really. I don't have Steam running all the time because I don't care about using its community features and I can go weeks or even months between playing steamworks games. So when I have to load it to play something it can be annoying. I keep shortcuts to all my installed games in a simple folder on my desktop and most of them launch instantly when I feel like clicking them. Steamworks games take a while to load up at Steam loads, verifies me and maybe updates.

In any case it's not a huge deal and I agree with everything else you said, but I very much disagree it is the least intrusive. A DRM that activates at install and then never needs to be seen again is the least intrusive, and Steam is not that.
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM
Jul 26, 2011, 17:25
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 17:25
Jul 26, 2011, 17:25
 
Icewind wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 14:10:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:37:
verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.

Well for one thing your claim it is the most non-invasive is not a fact. For people like me who have no desire to have Steam constantly running on their PC it is in fact very invasive compared to some other DRM methods. Whereas a recent game like Dragon Age 2 requires a one-time online activation to my EA account and can then be run on its own offline whenever I want, Steam requires me to boot up the Steam client every time I want to play. That right there makes Steam more invasive.

People who claim it is the easiest and least invasive DRM method are usually people who have it running all the time and don't have to deal with it's long boot time every time they play a game.

All that aside though I don't really care in the end. DRM free versions of everything are online for when I need them, if I ever do.

Internet and PC neophytes like you crack me up, Velvet boy.

Long boot times? How slow is your PC? Are you running something from the stone age?

Steam *is* the least invasive out there. Plus unlike any other DRM, you can buy games for less than 5 bucks when they are 10x that in retail.

I love laughing at the anti-steam pussy sniffers like you. All the cock-sucking little pansy ass fuckers that think Steam is some boogy man out to rape their virgin assholes.

Fucking pussy.

Nothing drives home a rational point like sprinkling it with profanity. I think you forgot to call him a gay fag and really nail your point.

On no wait, you did. Well done.
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Jul 26, 2011, 16:51
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 16:51
Jul 26, 2011, 16:51
 
Not a fan of drm, but I bought the first one on steam, so this is really no different. If I am buying most of my games on steam anyway, I am fine if the drm is a part of steam and not a second or third layer of drm added on top.

Risen was awesome, can't wait for the sequel!
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM
Jul 26, 2011, 16:21
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 16:21
Jul 26, 2011, 16:21
 
Cutter wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:41:
What does any of this matter when none of you are going to play this title anyway? Risen sucked...badly. No one has any interest in seeing a sequel of more, or possibly even greater suckage.

I know it's hard to believe, Cutter, but not everyone hates every single game in existence like you do.

I thought Risen was alright. I'll definitely pick up Risen 2 at some point.

Creston
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Jul 26, 2011, 16:05
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 16:05
Jul 26, 2011, 16:05
 
noman wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:52:

Correct, and even for games that can be run outside of Steam (which are very rare) there could be issues.

Can you give a specific example of a game that does not work in offline mode? You claim this behavior is 'rare', yet I've never seen a game that won't run in offline mode (aside from MP games which obviously don't count).
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:54
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:54
 
Personally I've only ever heard a few arguments whenever any Steam only game comes out and most of them are pretty silly.

1) I HATE DRM. Ok... fine. But do you own any of the following: any console, dvd or blu-ray player, a TV with HDMI, and practically every electronic device has some kind of DRM enabled. I don't disagree that less drm would be better, but to boycott something because of it seems a bit incongruous given the ubiquity of it in the marketplace. You'd pretty much have to crawl into a hole in the ground to totally avoid DRM products in general.

2) I HATE STEAM. Ok.. .fine. But why? Usually it's 'because it runs in the background', like your IM client, Skype, etc. so why single Steam out? You could always not have Steam running on startup and kill it when you finish playing if that's your cup of tea. Or it falls into the I HATE DRM, scheme so refer above.

3) What if Steam goes bankrupt. This seems like an odd argument. Look at the current high profile shutdowns of APB, Dirt, and all the old sports game servers. These seem like much more pressing concerns than Steam going bankrupt. Not that it isn't a 'possibility' of course.

The only actual legitimate concerns I've heard are

1) Bandwidth usage in areas were internet is metered or is at some ungodly slow speed. This is definitely unfortunate. It definitely underscores the digital divide that exists.

2) Inability to control patches locally. Though this is usually related to the above issue, where users want to control patch downloads either due to bandwidth problems. Civ5 had an interesting discussion where because specific patches are so gameplay changing that users didn't want the latest patches to totally screw up their existing saves. That problem seems to be pretty Civ5 specific though. The bandwidth problem is usually the most often cited issue with patch controls.

Admittedly I like Steam, because I live in a region where I can fully utilise the capabilities of it to my advantage. I realise that other people who are disadvantaged with bandwidth either by cost or availability would dislike Steam.

I think ultimately devs choose Steam due to it's advantages over competing download platforms. Most notably the availablity of achievements, automatic patch management, distribution cost reduction, and DRM.
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:53
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 15:53
Jul 26, 2011, 15:53
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Cutter wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:41:
What does any of this matter when none of you are going to play this title anyway? Risen sucked...badly. No one has any interest in seeing a sequel of more, or possibly even greater suckage.

I'm interested in a sequel, especially if it's not all dungeons, knights, and just one big island or isolated area. Risen wasn't as good as Gothic 1 & 2, but it was still a fun title. I'd rate this higher than both Dragon Age titles.

Guys, really, there aren't too many genuine pc titles around anymore, and this situation won't get better by hating the few remaining develoopers who at least care a bit about us pc gamers. You don't have to love every game that gets published for pc, but don't bite all the hands that still feed you.

Again: Risen was no Gothic 1/2, but it was still a good rpg. Compare it to Dragon Age 2 and tell me which one you like better.

If what I read is true, the Risen developers got the rights to do another Gothic game back. Let's see what they can achieve with it.
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Re: On Risen 2 DRM
Jul 26, 2011, 15:52
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:52
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:15:
verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:02:
you can go to steamapps folder and open commonapps and make your own shortcuts and outside of VALVE and some online games you do NOT NEED STEAM LOADED. just for the activation one time that's it.

This is not true. For most non-steamworks games sold on Steam this can be done, but not for steamworks titles. Since Steamworks titles are mostly the only games I buy on Steam that doesn't really help me.

Correct, and even for games that can be run outside of Steam (which are very rare) there could be issues. I installed Indiana Jones and Fate of Atlantis over Steam and tried running it through DOSBox (for Roland sound) a few days back. It didn't work because one of the files in the game was packed into a Steam created launcher app (basically making the game to not run from the original atlantis.exe file)

I hate these type of things, and that's why download services such as GoG (with no DRM) are so much appreciated. While they do provide their own launchers (to make the game work on different OS), the entire content of the game is always available in its original form.

Even DRM based services like Amazon and EADM/Origin are much better than Steam, because you purchase and download the exact retail versions of the games that can be patched, backed up and re-installed without running the download utility.

For me, Steamworks is the most restrictive of all DRMs out there. It's sad to see Risen 2 going that route.
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:41
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:41
 
What does any of this matter when none of you are going to play this title anyway? Risen sucked...badly. No one has any interest in seeing a sequel of more, or possibly even greater suckage.
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:27
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:27
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Satoru wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:23:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:15:
verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:02:
you can go to steamapps folder and open commonapps and make your own shortcuts and outside of VALVE and some online games you do NOT NEED STEAM LOADED. just for the activation one time that's it.

This is not true. For most non-steamworks games sold on Steam this can be done, but not for steamworks titles. Since Steamworks titles are mostly the only games I buy on Steam that doesn't really help me.

You can run steamworks titles offline. You just don't get the advantages of Steamworks, such as online save games and such. Civ5 works totally fine in offline mode and is highly integrated with Steamworks.


It doesn't matter. He's just here to praise EA and fault Valve anytime he can.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good lie.

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Jul 26, 2011, 15:23
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:23
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:15:
verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:02:
you can go to steamapps folder and open commonapps and make your own shortcuts and outside of VALVE and some online games you do NOT NEED STEAM LOADED. just for the activation one time that's it.

This is not true. For most non-steamworks games sold on Steam this can be done, but not for steamworks titles. Since Steamworks titles are mostly the only games I buy on Steam that doesn't really help me.

You can run steamworks titles offline. You just don't get the advantages of Steamworks, such as online save games and such. Civ5 works totally fine in offline mode and is highly integrated with Steamworks.
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:15
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:15
 
verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:02:
you can go to steamapps folder and open commonapps and make your own shortcuts and outside of VALVE and some online games you do NOT NEED STEAM LOADED. just for the activation one time that's it.

This is not true. For most non-steamworks games sold on Steam this can be done, but not for steamworks titles. Since Steamworks titles are mostly the only games I buy on Steam that doesn't really help me.
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:14
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:14
 
Icewind wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 14:10:
Internet and PC neophytes like you crack me up, Velvet boy.

Long boot times? How slow is your PC? Are you running something from the stone age?

Steam *is* the least invasive out there. Plus unlike any other DRM, you can buy games for less than 5 bucks when they are 10x that in retail.

I love laughing at the anti-steam pussy sniffers like you. All the cock-sucking little pansy ass fuckers that think Steam is some boogy man out to rape their virgin assholes.

Fucking pussy.

Do you think this kind of personality is doing you any favors? Honestly? Does your wife realize this is who you really are when given anonymity and no restrictions on what you say?

As for the only actual technical issue you addressed, no it does not take THAT long for Steam to boot up, but it takes a hell of a lot fucking longer than just double clicking a simple exe without DRM on it does.
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:02
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Jul 26, 2011, 15:02
 
you can go to steamapps folder and open commonapps and make your own shortcuts and outside of VALVE and some online games you do NOT NEED STEAM LOADED. just for the activation one time that's it.
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Jul 26, 2011, 14:50
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Jul 26, 2011, 14:50
 
Icewind wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 14:10:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 13:37:
verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.

Well for one thing your claim it is the most non-invasive is not a fact. For people like me who have no desire to have Steam constantly running on their PC it is in fact very invasive compared to some other DRM methods. Whereas a recent game like Dragon Age 2 requires a one-time online activation to my EA account and can then be run on its own offline whenever I want, Steam requires me to boot up the Steam client every time I want to play. That right there makes Steam more invasive.

People who claim it is the easiest and least invasive DRM method are usually people who have it running all the time and don't have to deal with it's long boot time every time they play a game.

All that aside though I don't really care in the end. DRM free versions of everything are online for when I need them, if I ever do.

Internet and PC neophytes like you crack me up, Velvet boy.

Long boot times? How slow is your PC? Are you running something from the stone age?

Steam *is* the least invasive out there. Plus unlike any other DRM, you can buy games for less than 5 bucks when they are 10x that in retail.

I love laughing at the anti-steam pussy sniffers like you. All the cock-sucking little pansy ass fuckers that think Steam is some boogy man out to rape their virgin assholes.

Fucking pussy.

Valve fanboy much? Like all that vitrol is really needed? For me personally I don't much care for steam, much like I don't care for any drm invasive or not. When you can crack a game most times before its even on store shelves why bother with any sort of DRM in the first place?

At least for your sake I hope you ask Gabe to use a condom before you let him bend you over and plow you. It never ceases to amaze me the crap some will spew out of their mouths when defending either Blizzard or Valve.
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