I cant see it making much at all, now that macs have seen how bad it is, its due to be launched from the bargin basement bucket soon!!!

Antdude wrote on Jun 27, 2011, 19:30:
Back on topic, I haven't been able to discern if the multiplayer will allow Mac users to play against PCs. Back in the day, DN3D Mac was unable to connect with the PC version, so the MP opportunities were already pretty thin. If that hasn't been addressed in this game, I can't imagine that anyone would even bother, even if the MP was better than it seems to be anyway.

From what I've read, Dukematch isn't all that great to begin with...

Tough call.

I imagine that the Patches would have to be synchronized between the two. Doing that would either be difficult or would lag the PC patches.

Back on topic, I haven't been able to discern if the multiplayer will allow Mac users to play against PCs. Back in the day, DN3D Mac was unable to connect with the PC version, so the MP opportunities were already pretty thin. If that hasn't been addressed in this game, I can't imagine that anyone would even bother, even if the MP was better than it seems to be anyway.

From what I've read, Dukematch isn't all that great to begin with...

nin wrote on Jun 27, 2011, 17:07:

That seems more reasonable on Apple's part. Thanks for the info!

No prob, probably more info than you wanted. And even still they're no Alienware.

As mentioned below I got annoyed a BestBuy employee spreading bad info to customers and finally had to set him straight. I have no problem with people choosing any one of a million reasons to not get a Mac, but when a supposed techie salesman is spreading really bad info I finally had to say something.

BestBuy can get bad enough as it is, no reason they have to be THAT wrong.

Back in "the day" when they were PPC-based then yes... CPU AND Video Card were years old.

I would guess that was the last time I looked at them.

Currently the iMacs are ATI HD 6770M w/ either 512 or 1GB Ram. A quick glance shows they came out in Q4 2010 and are still offered on Dells. Heck by default Dell offers the HD 5670 on the XPS systems with an option to upgrade to the 6770. I believe XPS is their gaming system just-before Alienware.

That seems more reasonable on Apple's part. Thanks for the info!

nin wrote on Jun 27, 2011, 16:55:

Over-priced, sure. But not 1-2 years behind in tech.
iMacs refresh on average every 280 days. Each time they refresh they are on par with the Dell offerings, sometimes better in regards to their notebooks.

Does that include video cards? It seems like every time I've looked at macs in the past, the video is way outdated...

Back in "the day" when they were PPC-based then yes... CPU AND Video Card were years old. And the Apple zealots couldn't be told otherwise; they constantly replied with PPC > i586.

I'm not saying now "they're bleeding edge" but still quite good.


Currently the iMacs are ATI HD 6770M w/ either 512 or 1GB Ram. A quick glance shows they came out in Q4 2010 and are still offered on Dells. Heck by default Dell offers the HD 5670 on the XPS systems with an option to upgrade to the 6770. I believe XPS is their gaming system just-before Alienware.

Sure, it's an M chip but from what I recall the benchmarks were good. Not top-of-the-line good but more than respectable.


Again, I'm not saying "Apple is better." I used it for a while because it made my Java and cross-platform development easier for work. When it died after 4 years I went back to Dell.

Sorry if the above is TMI. I'm just annoyed because I had to listen the other day in r/l to some schmuck going on about how Apple is lame because "they're stil using the failed PPC CPU and needs to get with the times." Meanwhile this was a BestBuy guy trying to tell someone why they should buy a certain PC. I had to tell him to check his facts before spreading bad info. There are a million reasons to not get a Mac, he had to pick the one that doesn't exist.

This comment was edited on Jun 27, 2011, 17:47.

Over-priced, sure. But not 1-2 years behind in tech.
iMacs refresh on average every 280 days. Each time they refresh they are on par with the Dell offerings, sometimes better in regards to their notebooks.

Does that include video cards? It seems like every time I've looked at macs in the past, the video is way outdated...

Dev wrote on Jun 27, 2011, 16:34:

kanniballl wrote on Jun 27, 2011, 13:39:
Even the iMacs from a couple of years ago should be able to handle 1024x768 (or the widescreen equivalent) with decent quality settings.

Macs are often a couple years behind in specs compared to PC and overpriced. So imacs from a couple years ago are more like 5 years out of date. And they can only handle gaming if they have a gaming video card.

I'm not defending Macs, I only use them for when I have to dual-develop.

Over-priced, sure. But not 1-2 years behind in tech.
iMacs refresh on average every 280 days. Each time they refresh they are on par with the Dell offerings, sometimes better in regards to their notebooks. So at most a couple of months older in comparison than Dell.

The current iMacs, which are the mid-range models, sport Quad-Core 2.5, 2.7, and 3.1 CPUs. The video cards aren't that bad either.

I was spec'ing out some high-end Dells (though not Alienware) this weekend and their kit was about the same as Apple's. Sure, the Dell was cheaper but about the same performance / kit.

Meanwhile my 2007 MacBook Pro was top-of-the-line, and actually faster than Dell's pro offerings back then.

For the last couple of years, Apple has been staying competitive with their CPUs and Video Cards in their iMacs. The only annoying "times" are when the the new model is on its way in. For those last 1-2 months before the product refresh, the iMac is sporting slower tech. But then once its refreshed again it's on-par with Dell.

So maybe a couple of months behind, but not 1-2 years behind.

This comment was edited on Jun 27, 2011, 16:52.

kanniballl wrote on Jun 27, 2011, 13:39:
Even the iMacs from a couple of years ago should be able to handle 1024x768 (or the widescreen equivalent) with decent quality settings.

Macs are often a couple years behind in specs compared to PC and overpriced. So imacs from a couple years ago are more like 5 years out of date. And they can only handle gaming if they have a gaming video card.

SectorEffector wrote on Jun 27, 2011, 14:20:
Oh man, these duke related news are getting old. Let's just get it over with, Where's the story where Duke Nukem Forever is nominated for game of the year at the Spike TV Video Game Awards show.

For the most part, I agree. It was hyped enough over the last 10+ years, you'd think it would've run its course by now.

On the other hand, a big-name title being released on OSX so soon after the PC release is news in itself... be it Duke Nuken or something actually good.

Oh man, these duke related news are getting old. Let's just get it over with, Where's the story where Duke Nukem Forever is nominated for game of the year at the Spike TV Video Game Awards show.

...with gaming experts like paid models who blurt out poorly written scripts and profess a love for something they spend no time doing.

Bring on more clearly bad things.

Now we know why it took forever, they were trying to dual-release for Mac (and gave up at the end).

Honestly though, I'd like to see more games released for Macs closer to to the PC launch. I used to use a MacBook Pro as my main rig for the longest time... but went back to PC 1-2 years ago.

I'm a developer, and thus realize coding on one isn't the same as coding on the other. Especially since DirectX won over OpenGL, but considering the Mac is popular now and all of their semi-recent Rigs are fairly hefty it would be nice. Even the iMacs from a couple of years ago should be able to handle 1024x768 (or the widescreen equivalent) with decent quality settings.

Now mac games can experience the pain and suffering of purchasing this bomb...

they are hoping mac gamers are not paying attention to the reviews.

|oR|jonvall wrote on Jun 27, 2011, 12:17:
JESUS! They must really be desperate to sell this thing....it usually takes 3 or 4 years for shit to show up on the Mac!

Was thinking the same exact thing.

JESUS! They must really be desperate to sell this thing....it usually takes 3 or 4 years for shit to show up on the Mac!