Chinese Gold-Farming Chain Gangs

Guardian.co.uk hears from someone claiming to be a former Chinese prisoner who explains how he and other convicts were forced to farm for gold in MMORPGs. He describes a scenario where prisoners were forced to play in 12-hour shifts on computers that were never shut off. "Prison bosses made more money forcing inmates to play games than they do forcing people to do manual labour," Liu (not his real name) told them. "There were 300 prisoners forced to play games. We worked 12-hour shifts in the camp. I heard them say they could earn 5,000-6,000rmb [470-570] a day. We didn't see any of the money. The computers were never turned off." As an aside, perhaps the most disturbing part of the story is the explanation of how this former prison guard ended up locked up in the first place, as word is he "was jailed for three years in 2004 for 'illegally petitioning' the central government about corruption in his hometown. Thanks Kxmode/Neutronbeam/Quboid.
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May 26, 2011, 19:22
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May 26, 2011, 19:22
 
xie xie
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May 26, 2011, 18:56
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May 26, 2011, 18:56
 
That would be that vaunted "True Capitalism" then. That is without question what the Repubs in WA want.
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May 26, 2011, 18:45
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May 26, 2011, 18:45
 
WOLVERINES!!!!!
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May 26, 2011, 17:54
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May 26, 2011, 17:54
 
[quote=" And don't think for a second that the US is the only country in the world that has a fair legal system. Heck even that's not true.
Ours is ok, but hardly fair. Those with money get off or wrist slapped, the rest to the Corp run jail system that gets paid per inmate.
Wonder how those Corps push laws...

Lee

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May 26, 2011, 17:43
El Pit
 
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May 26, 2011, 17:43
 El Pit
 
http://www.nationalcia.org/
http://oce.oregon.gov/products/112
http://www.ncjrs.gov/html/bja/piecp/bja-prison-industr.html#background

Not gold farming, but... You'll get the idea.

Anyways, the constant ad spamming by the gold farmers in e.g. LotRO is annoying, I give you that. Fortunately, Turbine people are usually quickly banning those people. Hard times in China...

wrlwnd wrote on May 26, 2011, 16:31:
El Pit wrote on May 26, 2011, 15:17:
What I was aiming at was that idea that the evil Chinese empire would only imprison political and/or religious leaders.

Yeah, we get it. Duh.

Completely irrelevant of course. But keep making a point that has nothing to do with the abuses illustrated in the article.
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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May 26, 2011, 17:36
El Pit
 
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May 26, 2011, 17:36
 El Pit
 
Did I interrupt your tea time with Mr. Beck? Sorry about that. Go and watch your FoxNews, Sir.

Nomaar wrote on May 26, 2011, 16:19:
Your whole post is pointless and I would have to agree with some other commentators: You are an idiot. Or maybe you're party chairman of the People's Democratic Freedom Committee Of Prisons. In either case, your attempt to put a happy smiley face on a horrible, oppressive government has failed.

This comment was edited on May 26, 2011, 17:43.
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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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May 26, 2011, 16:31
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May 26, 2011, 16:31
 
El Pit wrote on May 26, 2011, 15:17:
What I was aiming at was that idea that the evil Chinese empire would only imprison political and/or religious leaders.

Yeah, we get it. Duh.

Completely irrelevant of course. But keep making a point that has nothing to do with the abuses illustrated in the article.
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May 26, 2011, 16:19
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May 26, 2011, 16:19
 
El Pit wrote on May 26, 2011, 15:17:
Verno, thanks for your answer. Yes, that's one of the most punishing things: being alone in a cell with your guilt and nothing to distract you from thinking about it.

What I was aiming at was that idea that the evil Chinese empire would only imprison political and/or religious leaders. There's the triads, there are the usual killers, child molesters, rapists, arsonists, you name it. Crime is a worldwide problem. Of course, China has a very different legal system, and a lot of it is based on fear of anything that could endanger the power of the political leaders. People simply "disappear" without their next ones knowing what happened to them. People get executed (well, the death sentence is wide spread in the world), and some of them get murdered for their political ideas or religions. That's all true. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Chinese prisoners is not doing time for following the wrong flags or for reading the bill of rights. Plus: you can find innocent people behind bars not only in China, but in every country. In the US e.g., farmers could go to jail for not using genetically engineered germ buds from a wellknown US monopolist. Of course, these farmers wouldn't be allowed internet access in prison to do some gold farming.

Your whole post is pointless and I would have to agree with some other commentators: You are an idiot. Or maybe you're party chairman of the People's Democratic Freedom Committee Of Prisons. In either case, your attempt to put a happy smiley face on a horrible, oppressive government has failed.

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May 26, 2011, 15:21
El Pit
 
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May 26, 2011, 15:21
 El Pit
 
oops. Sorry, double post, and I am not allowed to delete my own post.
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May 26, 2011, 15:17
El Pit
 
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May 26, 2011, 15:17
 El Pit
 
Verno, thanks for your answer. Yes, that's one of the most punishing things: being alone in a cell with your guilt and nothing to distract you from thinking about it.

What I was aiming at was that idea that the evil Chinese empire would only imprison political and/or religious leaders. There's the triads, there are the usual killers, child molesters, rapists, arsonists, you name it. Crime is a worldwide problem. Of course, China has a very different legal system, and a lot of it is based on fear of anything that could endanger the power of the political leaders. People simply "disappear" without their next ones knowing what happened to them. People get executed (well, the death sentence is wide spread in the world), and some of them get murdered for their political ideas or religions. That's all true. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Chinese prisoners is not doing time for following the wrong flags or for reading the bill of rights. Plus: you can find innocent people behind bars not only in China, but in every country. In the US e.g., farmers could go to jail for not using genetically engineered germ buds from a wellknown US monopolist. Of course, these farmers wouldn't be allowed internet access in prison to do some gold farming.
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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May 26, 2011, 15:10
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May 26, 2011, 15:10
 
Hyatus wrote on May 26, 2011, 14:24:
I was thinking more like turning up a superconductor full blast and pointing it at them for a duration. You know, throwing science at the wall and seeing what sticks. Do you know what it'll do? I don't.

Yeah, pointing a superconductor at someone doesn't do shit. Cave Johnson is an idiot.
Now we donce.
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May 26, 2011, 15:05
Verno
 
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May 26, 2011, 15:05
 Verno
 
El Pit wrote on May 26, 2011, 14:46:
Sorry, you're right. They're all freedom fighters. No other crimes are committed in China. Thanks to your intelligent input, I got it.

Not sure your snarky comment really deserved more thought than he gave it already. While I'm not educated on Chinese law I look at as if it was appropriate punishment then it would have been doled during sentencing. Is it better than swinging a mine pick or picking up garbage? I guess that depends on your perspective but I don't view either situation as ok. As a friend of mine who went to jail over drug crap told me after he got his life cleaned up "there is no greater punishment than pure boredom of prison".
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May 26, 2011, 14:47
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May 26, 2011, 14:47
 El Pit
 
Which brings up the question: who's paying for e.g. the lethal injections in the US?

Cave Johnson wrote on May 26, 2011, 13:31:
Hyatus wrote on May 26, 2011, 13:20:
I'm just saying that with all of the injustices China forces on its citizens, there are definitely worse things to be concerned about.

You mean like shooting someone in the head and sending a bill for the bullet to the person's family?
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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May 26, 2011, 14:46
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May 26, 2011, 14:46
 El Pit
 
Sorry, you're right. They're all freedom fighters. No other crimes are committed in China. Thanks to your intelligent input, I got it.

space captain wrote on May 26, 2011, 12:48:
El Pit wrote on May 26, 2011, 12:13:
Hm... Some comments here give me the impression that all Chinese prisoners are political prisoners.

Hm... Some people here give me the impression that all humans are complete assholes with a fatal lack of intelligence.
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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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May 26, 2011, 14:40
Dev
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Wildone wrote on May 26, 2011, 12:39:
You should listen to this, how China could legally 'own' the moon (and its vast helium 3 resources)
http://zfirelight.blogspot.com/2011/02/02-27-11-owning-moon-bob-bigelow.html

Just 7 tons of H3 fusion could run the entire US for 1 year..

I think that would be IF fusion was viable. So far as I know, its not yet.
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May 26, 2011, 14:34
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Techie714 wrote on May 26, 2011, 10:46:
If you asked an average American if they would be willing to pay 50.00 more for a new TV that would guarantee the worker food, medical, better pay, etc.

And what would these 3rd world workers be doing if they weren't making goods for the international market (America isn't the only one "subsidizing" Chinese industry)? Begging in the streets? Dead in a gutter? Bludgeoned, raped, and mangled in an alley? You're implying that if they didn't have these jobs, they would somehow be better off. Don't blame America for another country's human rights inadequacies.
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May 26, 2011, 14:24
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May 26, 2011, 14:24
 
I was thinking more like turning up a superconductor full blast and pointing it at them for a duration. You know, throwing science at the wall and seeing what sticks. Do you know what it'll do? I don't.
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May 26, 2011, 13:31
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Hyatus wrote on May 26, 2011, 13:20:
I'm just saying that with all of the injustices China forces on its citizens, there are definitely worse things to be concerned about.

You mean like shooting someone in the head and sending a bill for the bullet to the person's family?
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May 26, 2011, 13:20
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May 26, 2011, 13:20
 
Yes, it's slave labor.
However, given the choice between manual labor or playing WoW all day long, how many people would choose the former?
(I might, but I really don't like WoW and could use the exercise)

I'm just saying that with all of the injustices China forces on its citizens, there are definitely worse things to be concerned about.
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May 26, 2011, 13:15
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May 26, 2011, 13:15
 
Sounds really shitty. Nothing ruins something you enjoy like being forced to do it. You know, playing games, spending time with the wife and family, etc.
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