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May 18, 2011, 16:19
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kinda funny when the market dictates to it's consumers. it's not really a market any longer. more of a soup line.
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May 16, 2011, 06:45
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Re: Saturday Metaverse May 16, 2011, 06:45
May 16, 2011, 06:45
 
Yes its a softcap _now_ while the ISP's are figuring if the typical consumer will be OK with data limits. Testing the waters for new revenue sources. The underlying desire is making consumers pay for every megabyte used on a home ISP, like how we currently pay for electricity and gas.

In less than 2 years the cost of everything related to "digital content in the home" will go up up up up -- and that includes streaming. The market wants to do this and they will do it.

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May 15, 2011, 16:17
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Ruffiana wrote on May 15, 2011, 14:22:
We stream netflix movies in HD, download games off steam, surf like normal and we've been nowhere near the 250gb data cap for the past 3 months.

i pay $70 a month for a stand-alone cable internet package from shaw. that is internet without any of their other bloated, and piss poor offerings attatched, which of course they charge a premium to do. with that $70/mon i'm entitled to 100GB of transfer up or down. now they're claiming they're going to upgrade that package from 15mbps to 25mbps. wowee and the cap will stay 100GB, and the price remain the same. what a great deal, now i'll be able to smash thru the cap in a week instead of 2. one 2 hour movie in HD on netflix is roughtly 3-4GB, so as long as i do absolutely nothing else with my shaw EXTREME! internets package i can watch 20-30 movies within that month. where the hell are you getting reasonbly priced 250GB caps from? the next pricing tier is $120/mon which is... wait for it ..... double the speed!, but of course not double the cap. 175GB a month at 50mbps. what a fucking joke. it's like we're leasing internet connections, and we have maximum mileage in the fine print. if i'm leasing the internet, i better own it after 5 years.

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Re: Saturday Metaverse
May 15, 2011, 15:52
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May 15, 2011, 15:52
 
Ruffiana wrote on May 15, 2011, 14:22:
We stream netflix movies in HD, download games off steam, surf like normal and we've been nowhere near the 250gb data cap for the past 3 months.

I do the same I have gone over it by at least 25-50GB every month for the last 3 months. No threatening letters or anything so far. I'm figuring it's more of a soft cap. Everyone who I've read about being cut off by Comcast was using 600, 700, or more GB per month.
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Re: Saturday Metaverse
May 15, 2011, 14:22
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May 15, 2011, 14:22
 
We stream netflix movies in HD, download games off steam, surf like normal and we've been nowhere near the 250gb data cap for the past 3 months.
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Re: Saturday Metaverse
May 15, 2011, 06:34
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LittleMe wrote on May 15, 2011, 03:01:
jdreyer wrote on May 15, 2011, 01:40:
You can't just go out and start a new ISP, the infrastructure costs are prohibitive.

What? That is not true. That's like saying no one can just go out and start a new game company because the costs are prohibitive. Capital investment is how an economy functions. There's no law that says an ISP must invest a billion dollars to start. They can and often do start small. Infinity Ward did that. Blizzard did that. They are both huge now, but started smaller. Same works with any business.
High capital investment is a classic example of a barrier to entry.

The ISP and the game development company are completely incomparable, to the point of being examples of the extreme ends of the spectrum. ISPs run on scale economy, game development borders on being a service company.
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Re: Saturday Metaverse
May 15, 2011, 05:10
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jdreyer wrote on May 15, 2011, 01:40:
This is a corporate oligarchy in action. In a real market, some company or group of companies would try this 250 GB / month cap crap, and some other company would say, "This is Bullshit, I can start my own company and deliver unlimited BW for the same price, undercut these bastards, and make a killing."

Not so much an oligopoly, but rather it appears more like cartel behavior... like you said, if there is a way to undercut the competition by offering unlimited plans (and I think there is), the only way to get everybody to more or less impose them on their own is through some sort of collusion. Seeing as the market is operating completely counter to expected in such a situation, it's something worth investigating at the very least.
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Re: Saturday Metaverse
May 15, 2011, 03:16
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xXBatmanXx wrote on May 15, 2011, 01:59:
The larger problem is that in 99% of metro areas there is only 1 option for broadband. I don't consider DSL broadband.

Not only that, but it's a government mandate. I'm not too informed with the Canadian system but if it's like it is down here, then in my opinion, these laws are woefully outdated. They might have been necessary in the 1960's and 1970's, but no more. It's a dinosaur and it should mostly be eliminated but now it's the status-quo.

That's one of the big problems with using government to solve problems. It's very difficult to change or adapt to an ever-changing world. That's especially true with technology. That's why I think further regulation is a very bad idea. It just locks things into place when what we need is flexibility. Government is the antithesis of flexible. Governments like perpetuity and inflexible laws and they think and act as if they know what's best for many decades. That's the problem right there.

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Re: Saturday Metaverse
May 15, 2011, 03:01
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May 15, 2011, 03:01
 
jdreyer wrote on May 15, 2011, 01:40:
You can't just go out and start a new ISP, the infrastructure costs are prohibitive.

What? That is not true. That's like saying no one can just go out and start a new game company because the costs are prohibitive. Capital investment is how an economy functions. There's no law that says an ISP must invest a billion dollars to start. They can and often do start small. Infinity Ward did that. Blizzard did that. They are both huge now, but started smaller. Same works with any business.

jdreyer wrote on May 15, 2011, 01:40:
And the only way out is heavy gov't regulation to keep the ISPs from pulling shit like this.

I was reading your post in agreement and like 'America! Fuck yeah!' but then the last sentence was a perfect anti-climax! The Only Way Out (TM)? Do you realize that the corporate oligarchy loves regulation because they often write the regulations and benefit from them? Netflix is really demanding to enter the Oligarchy here.

The corporate oligarchy, as you put it so well, would include Netflix once regulations are enacted to benefit them. So it seems to me your solution is to expand the Corporate Oligarchy instead of reducing or eliminating it.

Why not work and advocate for a "real market" (as you nicely put it) where competition and consumer choice decide what choices we get?

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Re: Saturday Metaverse
May 15, 2011, 01:59
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May 15, 2011, 01:59
 
The larger problem is that in 99% of metro areas there is only 1 option for broadband. I don't consider DSL broadband.
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May 15, 2011, 01:58
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May 15, 2011, 01:58
 
I agree that this is bullshit... but singling out Canada for unfair 250Gb rates? At this point I think that I'd be celebrating if I got that... as it is now we only get around 50-60Gb... not to mention that a few years ago Bell attempted to impose a cap of 10Gb (5 up and 5 down)...
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Re: Saturday Metaverse
May 15, 2011, 01:40
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May 15, 2011, 01:40
 
This is a corporate oligarchy in action. In a real market, some company or group of companies would try this 250 GB / month cap crap, and some other company would say, "This is Bullshit, I can start my own company and deliver unlimited BW for the same price, undercut these bastards, and make a killing." That would keep everyone honest. But in Canada, there is often one or two ISPs, so they know they can announce this and the other companies will follow suit. You can't just go out and start a new ISP, the infrastructure costs are prohibitive. Thus the need for government regulation.

Also, when a municipality tries to install it's own wifi, then the big ISPs claim foul: "That's not free market principles!" The fucking media then fails to point out the fact that there is no free market due to there only being one or two players that can provide the service.

NETFLIX IS TOTALLY CORRECT HERE. And the only way out is heavy gov't regulation to keep the ISPs from pulling shit like this.
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BREAKING NEWS!
May 14, 2011, 18:02
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May 14, 2011, 18:02
 
entire economy completely fucked
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