Duke Nukem Forever Interview

Gearbox's Pitchford On Gaming's Grown-Up World on Gamasutra converses with Gearbox boss Randy Pitchford about Duke Nukem Forever, and why he feels there isn't "a line" games shouldn't cross. "Is there a line [to cross]? If our medium is art, how could there be a line?" he posits. "How could we allow there to be a line, and who gets to decide what the line is? That's a very slippery slope -- there should not be a line."
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview
Apr 26, 2011, 18:42
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Beamer wrote on Apr 26, 2011, 13:41:
To do what everyone does, if I made a video game in which I rape your mother and then blow up the universe which would you find more damaging?

So if everyone's mothers were raped simultaneously would this be ridiculous or parodic enough to be okay?
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Apr 26, 2011, 14:08
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Chazix wrote on Apr 26, 2011, 13:34:
Ruffiana wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 19:55:
. Smacking these digital whores on the fanny

Haha, This made me audibly gasp, then I remembered that in America "fanny" only means your butt.


Went to the UK for the first time about 15 years ago, and that was one of the terms covered. As well as how not to order two drinks in a pub.


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Apr 26, 2011, 14:05
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview Apr 26, 2011, 14:05
Apr 26, 2011, 14:05
 
Because I addressed it earlier in this thread.
It's a stupid argument to make. "OMG there are so many things worse so you concentrate on this!?"

No, it's perfectly legitimate considering I doubt people had serious moral expectations from the cliched, sexist action hero archetype who slaps a woman rump while he is slaughtering things wholesale. By design it's either meant to push a boundary or focus on vicarious enjoyment, neither of which degrades videogames as an industry as those same techniques are employed in other entertainment products. Gaming doesn't need to grow up, people do.
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview
Apr 26, 2011, 13:41
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Apr 26, 2011, 13:41
 

It's equally amazing you replied to him directly, quoted him and still failed to address the point he was making.

Because I addressed it earlier in this thread.
It's a stupid argument to make. "OMG there are so many things worse so you concentrate on this!?"

Yes, the worse things are universally accepted as worse and parody. The less worse things are done less so. To do what everyone does, if I made a video game in which I rape your mother and then blow up the universe which would you find more damaging?
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Apr 26, 2011, 13:34
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Apr 26, 2011, 13:34
 
Ruffiana wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 19:55:
. Smacking these digital whores on the fanny

Haha, This made me audibly gasp, then I remembered that in America "fanny" only means your butt.
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Apr 26, 2011, 11:49
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Apr 26, 2011, 11:49
 
It's equally amazing you replied to him directly, quoted him and still failed to address the point he was making.
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview
Apr 26, 2011, 09:38
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview Apr 26, 2011, 09:38
Apr 26, 2011, 09:38
 
It's okay to slaughter people wholesale but as soon as you smack a woman on the ass you've crossed a line?


It's amazing that you call people idiots without being able to think how the difference between these might change how someone perceives them.
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview
Apr 26, 2011, 09:20
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview Apr 26, 2011, 09:20
Apr 26, 2011, 09:20
 
Wow, really?

It's okay to slaughter people wholesale but as soon as you smack a woman on the ass you've crossed a line?

Idiots.
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Apr 26, 2011, 08:02
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview Apr 26, 2011, 08:02
Apr 26, 2011, 08:02
 
was anyone expecting anything different? hallooo? this is duke nukem.. doesnt anyone remember the first one? tongue in cheek sexism is part of the franchise.. though *obviously* not serious.. and if you want to go that way the fact you were shooting cops in the 1st one was way more disturbing than a few strippers..the interesting bit is that WAY more men than women seem to be complaining..
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Apr 26, 2011, 02:17
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Apr 26, 2011, 02:17
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 20:39:
Dades wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 18:57:
Beamer wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 16:31:
We're talking about capture the flag where females are the flag and you slap their ass to calm them down while saving them.There was no attempt at creating something great here, and no chance.

People don't seem to mind the existence of Hooters, pornography and violent sports amongst other things. Great art is subjective.

You're joking right? A lot more people are against those sorts of things then for them.

Quite the opposite actually.
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview
Apr 26, 2011, 00:23
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Apr 26, 2011, 00:23
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Matshock wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 17:50:
Prez wrote:
...someone telling me that because it crosses the line for them, it should be disallowed for everyone.

Eh? Is your name "Someone"? Cause it shows "Matshock" on my PC...
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Apr 25, 2011, 23:25
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Apr 25, 2011, 23:25
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 20:39:
You're joking right? A lot more people are against those sorts of things then for them.

You might want to take a moment and really think about the question you posed me. What people say they are against and what they are actually against are two very different things.
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Apr 25, 2011, 23:16
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Apr 25, 2011, 23:16
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 20:39:
Dades wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 18:57:
Beamer wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 16:31:
We're talking about capture the flag where females are the flag and you slap their ass to calm them down while saving them.There was no attempt at creating something great here, and no chance.

People don't seem to mind the existence of Hooters, pornography and violent sports amongst other things. Great art is subjective.

You're joking right? A lot more people are against those sorts of things then for them.

You figure there's a lot more people against porn then for it?
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Apr 25, 2011, 20:57
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Apr 25, 2011, 20:57
 
Verno wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 14:33:
Ask people who are in prison for doing things like that in real life what their favorite games are. That would be a good study. Oh Wait someone already did:

And I'll ask the millions of people not in prison for doing things that they saw in videogames while we're at it too Jester

Or we could talk to all of the murderers, theives, rapists, and criminals throughout human history prior to the 1970s.
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Apr 25, 2011, 20:51
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Apr 25, 2011, 20:51
 

You're joking right? A lot more people are against those sorts of things then for them.

Yup, and even then I'd argue that they have some form of purpose that Duke's slap does not.


Does art need a purpose? No. But my main point is that Duke isn't the proper forum to be specifically demeaning.
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview
Apr 25, 2011, 20:39
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Apr 25, 2011, 20:39
 
Dades wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 18:57:
Beamer wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 16:31:
We're talking about capture the flag where females are the flag and you slap their ass to calm them down while saving them.There was no attempt at creating something great here, and no chance.

People don't seem to mind the existence of Hooters, pornography and violent sports amongst other things. Great art is subjective.

You're joking right? A lot more people are against those sorts of things then for them.
"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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Apr 25, 2011, 19:55
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Apr 25, 2011, 19:55
 
Matshock wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 14:20:
StingingVelvet wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 14:04:
Matshock wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 12:57:
Back off the woman beating, it's not cool. It wasn't cool in the GTA series either- it's a stain on this industry.

A slap on the ass is "woman beating?" Damn, I guess I abuse my wife on a daily basis then, and oddly she enjoys it.

In any case the large amount of people using this game to try and feel superior to others is amusing. Stand tall you moral beacons, show us the right path.

Money talks and BS walks, to date:

1. Cancelled a preorder for DNF a couple weeks ago.

2. DID NOT BUY COD MW2 or BO

3. DID NOT BUY GTA 2, 3, 4, ever again

etc., etc...

Like mentioned, shock jock crap is a cheap substitue for gameplay. If that's the way things are going to be then I need a new hobby.

In a franchise known for being full of virtual bimbos and whose portrayal of women runs as deep as being able to throw wads of cash in their face while they jiggle their tits at you. Smacking these digital whores on the fanny was the bit of sexual objectication that prompted you to cancel your pre-order?

I admire your conviction to adhere to the 'look, but don't touch' code of ethical treatment of women, the gold standard of most strip clubs I believe.

Further, I'm sure your staunch refusal to purchase Modern Warefare 2, Black Ops, or any of the GTA series will also lead to radical changes in how these games are made...how else will they get your invaluable business back?

This comment was edited on Apr 25, 2011, 21:11.
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Apr 25, 2011, 18:57
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Apr 25, 2011, 18:57
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 16:31:
We're talking about capture the flag where females are the flag and you slap their ass to calm them down while saving them.There was no attempt at creating something great here, and no chance.

People don't seem to mind the existence of Hooters, pornography and violent sports amongst other things. Great art is subjective.
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview
Apr 25, 2011, 18:28
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Re: Duke Nukem Forever Interview Apr 25, 2011, 18:28
Apr 25, 2011, 18:28
 
No, Prez, we're pretty much exactly in the same place, the only difference really is that I think actual damage can be done by making it cool to really demean women, and you, I think, disagree that it's really demeaning women.


For the record, I don't even find the strippers or damsels in distress bad. It's really the whole "I'm going to slap your ass to stop you from being a hysterical girl" thing that I think crosses that line.


Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to put it in, but I am saying I have the right to call them absolute idiots for doing so.
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Apr 25, 2011, 18:18
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Apr 25, 2011, 18:18
 
The line was literally poop and they crossed it.

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