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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 26, 2011, 18:24
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 26, 2011, 18:24
Apr 26, 2011, 18:24
 
Prez wrote on Apr 26, 2011, 08:50:
The Uniform Code of Military Justice works differently from common law, and has pretty extreme legal allowances during times of war. Nothing about Manning's treatment, including indefinite detention while awaiting Court Marshall, is against the UCMJ. Treason during a time of war, which like it or not is what this case is about, can easily be punished by death under the UCMJ, public outcry be damned. Had this act been discovered by a superior officer during its commission, it's even possible the PFC could have been shot dead on the spot. The military necessarily has some pretty harsh and unbending rules regarding wartime treason; most people are horrified the first time they really see how differently military justice works as compared to our civilian legal system.

Personally, I am indifferent to the argument as to whether he's a hero or a villain, but as far as the law goes, I believe he deserves everything that has been done and will be done. It's not like an Army PFC would not be fully in possession of the fact about the potential consequences - he made his choice, now he has to live with the consequence.

Crumpled up a couple of comments on this yesterday and then gave up....

But now I can say, "What he said."

I'll add, had this been a leak targeting specific information about government wrong doing it would be easier to defend than the bulk release of just about everything. Now that the information is in the wild it can't be stopped and the government shouldn't try. But like Prez said, this guy could have been shot on the spot so being alive awaiting (for a long ass time) a military trial is appropriate.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 26, 2011, 08:50
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 26, 2011, 08:50
Apr 26, 2011, 08:50
 
The Uniform Code of Military Justice works differently from common law, and has pretty extreme legal allowances during times of war. Nothing about Manning's treatment, including indefinite detention while awaiting Court Marshall, is against the UCMJ. Treason during a time of war, which like it or not is what this case is about, can easily be punished by death under the UCMJ, public outcry be damned. Had this act been discovered by a superior officer during its commission, it's even possible the PFC could have been shot dead on the spot. The military necessarily has some pretty harsh and unbending rules regarding wartime treason; most people are horrified the first time they really see how differently military justice works as compared to our civilian legal system.

Personally, I am indifferent to the argument as to whether he's a hero or a villain, but as far as the law goes, I believe he deserves everything that has been done and will be done. It's not like an Army PFC would not be fully in possession of the fact about the potential consequences - he made his choice, now he has to live with the consequence.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 17:55
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 17:55
Apr 25, 2011, 17:55
 
Kedyn wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 16:42:
He took an oath of service to the United States. He broke that oath, and now he has to face the consequences. Torture? Well, he really should have though about that before leaking classified information. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

He did take an oath, an oath to serve the United States against both foreign AND DOMESTIC threats. It can easily be argued that he was was exposing the liars and cheats who have been willfully eroding our diplomatic credibility, and thus our international image as a nation, for decades.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 17:43
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 17:43
Apr 25, 2011, 17:43
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 16:03:
Obama is just upset that if the leaks continue everyone will find out how corrupt the gubmint is - as if we don't know already....

He's a politician, aren't they all corrupt?
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 16:56
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 16:56
Apr 25, 2011, 16:56
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Manning committed treason. He's lucky he hasn't been shot or hanged for what he did.


He's not been tried or convicted.

I don't doubt he did it, but we should at least make an attempt to follow the rules before we lynch him.

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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 16:42
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 16:42
Apr 25, 2011, 16:42
 
Acleacius wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 11:36:
Defiantly a douchebag for saying something so reprehensible, considering the fact that Manning is being tortured.

I was even willing to cut him some slack, since the political environment is so bad, no matter what he says, he'll be attacked. But the issue is you need to be on the side of Human Rights, since we in the US are considered leaders in the area of International Law.

If he had been on the right side, who cares what the political hacks say on fakenews. Torture or not to torture is an easily identifiable issue, since the masses don't need to be educated to understand why it's wrong to torture people. Hell, he could of even used the cover of religion to show why it's wrong to torture.

Dumbass.

Manning committed treason. He's lucky he hasn't been shot or hanged for what he did. If he did it in any other country, no one would bat an eye.

He's on suicide watch - they don't want him dead, they want him to be tried for the crimes he has committed. So, he can't have anything he can hang himself with. Plus, he can't talk to anyone - there's no telling what else he knows, and he has already proven to be a blabbermouth, so it's better to keep him isolated.

He took an oath of service to the United States. He broke that oath, and now he has to face the consequences. Torture? Well, he really should have though about that before leaking classified information. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 16:03
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 16:03
Apr 25, 2011, 16:03
 
Obama is just upset that if the leaks continue everyone will find out how corrupt the gubmint is - as if we don't know already....
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 12:37
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 12:37
Apr 25, 2011, 12:37
 Verno
 
LittleMe wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 11:47:
Know your enemy.

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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 12:26
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 12:26
Apr 25, 2011, 12:26
 
LittleMe wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 11:42:
Acleacius wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 11:36:
since we in the US are considered leaders in the area of International Law.

ROFL.

Ever heard of Nuremberg.....Robert Jackson....Poison Chalice?

Maybe I should have said "'Were' considered leaders." However it's clear there are still people across the globe who look for the US to help. I'm saying were doing a pretty suckass job of it atm and especially the horrifying bush years, but still all hope is not lost.

Even though it's becoming apparent he can't or won't fix the problems with Human Rights issues. I know we would have been much worst off with Clueless McCain, without a doubt he would have killed the world economy and we would be at about 10 million lost homes, instead of 2 million.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 12:00
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 12:00
Apr 25, 2011, 12:00
 
What are their "reasons," and why do you think they think we'll get so strongly behind a guy that pretty obviously broke the law rather than maybe, instead, picking someone that pretty obviously didn't?
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 11:57
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 11:57
Apr 25, 2011, 11:57
 
LittleMe wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 11:47:

The outlaw criminals who sit in office now becoming so glaringly obvious that they are clearly egging revolution on. They want you to try it. They are ready to sacrifice everything you 'think' is responsible. They have their reasons. They want drama. Their puppet Obama is as disposable as a diaper. Know your enemy.

ROLF.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 11:47
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 11:47
Apr 25, 2011, 11:47
 
Know your enemy.

This comment was edited on Apr 25, 2011, 11:54.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 11:44
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Apr 25, 2011, 11:44
 
dupe
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 11:42
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 11:42
Apr 25, 2011, 11:42
 
Acleacius wrote on Apr 25, 2011, 11:36:
since we in the US are considered leaders in the area of International Law.

ROFL.

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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 11:36
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 11:36
Apr 25, 2011, 11:36
 
Defiantly a douchebag for saying something so reprehensible, considering the fact that Manning is being tortured.

I was even willing to cut him some slack, since the political environment is so bad, no matter what he says, he'll be attacked. But the issue is you need to be on the side of Human Rights, since we in the US are considered leaders in the area of International Law.

If he had been on the right side, who cares what the political hacks say on fakenews. Torture or not to torture is an easily identifiable issue, since the masses don't need to be educated to understand why it's wrong to torture people. Hell, he could of even used the cover of religion to show why it's wrong to torture.

Dumbass.
A truck is not a speech.A horn is not a voice.Occupation is not a protest.A blockade is not freedom,it blocks the liberty of all.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Apr 25, 2011, 10:52
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2011, 10:52
Apr 25, 2011, 10:52
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Obama Says It's Okay To Treat Manning The Way He's Been Treated Because He 'Broke The Law'.

Yeah, who needs courts to prove these things!!!!!!!


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