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Cutter wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 23:52:

SpectralMeat wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 21:30:
So Valve wants to release the game early, and some of you are complaining about it?

It's how they're doing it. All this BS just to maybe release it a day early? Big fucking whoop. If EA, Activision or Ubisoft did something like this people would be looking to crucify them. Just because Valve is doing it makes it any more right. That is, for normal people who don't like to be dicked around.

What BS? It's an optional promotion that you can totally ignore. If EA or Activision did this I'd be saying the same thing. It literally does not affect you in any negative way. You can play the game early or play it when it was originally intended to be released. It is a harmless cross-promotional event that is making indie devs some money and getting us the game early.

I don't know why people can't be honest with themselves and admit that they want Portal 2 right now, have no patience and they're upset about any potential wait because the possibility exists of getting it early. There is no other side to this really. If people are so worked up over it then I'm sure they'll be willing to take a stand on their principles and not play it when it gets unlocked early....right?

Also, these calculations seem to be moving in reverse order of gooditude.

This is why this board isn't fun anymore.


Few here, or rather likely the quiet majority, take any enjoyment out of gaming.
For the loudest of you the entertainment no longer comes from actually playing games but from bitching, moaning, whining and feeling like victims. It's not even fun discussing that topic anymore because it's beaten to death and some of you go further and further into some kind of loathing. It's hard to believe you still dedicate this much time to something you hate. Yeah, I know, "we want it to be what it once was!" but all your bitching and moaning isn't helping. Go away for a while. Get some bright air. Rather than complain that Valve is doing all this, or as someone in another thread claimed "wasting money on marketing" stop paying attention. Start being that guy that's happily surprised to walk into the video game section of Target and see a new game by your favorite developer that you hadn't been aware was on its way out.



What kills me most is how some of you fail to realize that you've changed as much as the industry has. On top of becoming bitter, jaded dicks you've just become more mature consumers, frankly, adults. There's an interestingish article in the newest KillScreen in which an author relates how he received the NES version of Dragon Warrior for free with a 2 year subscription to Nintendo Power (man, I remember getting my parents to sign me up for that deal, too.) He talks about how he was unable to play for 6 weeks after receiving the game, but he had the poster of all the enemies that NP included. He read the poster constantly. He memorized it. He worshipped it. It was religion to him and he knew every single tiny thing he could about the game without playing it. That game was his entire world and it completely captivated him. He was absorbed. Nothing could possibly matter more. I remember being the same way. For a long while nothing in my life mattered as much as video games. Games I played and games I didn't, honestly - I can think of a few games I was obsessed over based upon articles in Nintendo Power only to discover they totally blew, or games I obsessed over that I owned only to go back recently and discover that the game sucked and most of the joy was my own imagination running wild with the general theme of the game.
But the author will never, ever be into a game as much as he was into Dragon Warrior. I'll never be as into a game as I was Blaster Master or Doom or Duke Nukem or X-COM or Syndicate. We're not kids anymore. It's impossible for a game to captivate us like that. Games are far deeper with much more atmosphere than some of the ones I listed above but they won't hold on to me because there's so much in life that takes priority.

What kills me is how regularly I see comments here in which people blame the games for that. Some of you get irate that games don't make you feel the same way. You don't seem to realize that you changed more than games. Go up to a kid today and he feels the same way you once did.


Some of you a miserable, humorless, impossible to please and completely pointless. Verno, you always seem to think I'm talking to you and I'm not - you're fairly miserable at times and often humorless but irregularly for both of those and always thoughtful and worth reading. I'm surprised to see nin so bitter here as he usually is humorous in his hate and seems to enjoy gaming by and large. But there are some usual people here that never, ever say anything positive or interesting. Just a lot of one line comments like "suck my balls Valve" or "way to screw us over by trying not to go into the red" or "man, I haven't played an original video game since Space Wars, everything since is just you hitting a button and stuff happening just like that game!" Wait, not that last one - it contains too much content. People at least used to try - it used to be common to see the "popular threads" list have multiple triple-digit threads in which people debated the merits of various things. No longer even debate - just condemnation, industry ignorance and one line curses.

killer_roach wrote on Apr 17, 2011, 00:36:
I remember one of Activision's community people mentioning on Twitter something along those lines... he thought it was a cool idea, but that if Activision did it they'd get all manner of grief for it.

Valve is getting all kinds of grief on their forums over it. Their solution is to lock then delete the threads.

Cutter wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 23:52:

SpectralMeat wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 21:30:
So Valve wants to release the game early, and some of you are complaining about it?

It's how they're doing it. All this BS just to maybe release it a day early? Big fucking whoop. If EA, Activision or Ubisoft did something like this people would be looking to crucify them. Just because Valve is doing it makes it any more right. That is, for normal people who don't like to be dicked around.

I remember one of Activision's community people mentioning on Twitter something along those lines... he thought it was a cool idea, but that if Activision did it they'd get all manner of grief for it.

...to say nothing of how the digital version of their own game is going to cost nearly 30% more than retail.

Otherwise, there are numerous ways they could have made this better - not having a countdown to a countdown, starting the GLaDOS@Home website much earlier, reducing the requirement(s) to unlock the game, and running an indie promotion that ties into/with Portal 2 instead of dangling a release of a completed game over PC/Steam purchasers.

I am getting Portal 2 regardless. As for the indie games that I do not already have, tying any potential purchase I might make to a (now) at best one day early release was not the way to get me to play them.

Honestly, a lot of those games look like clones of other games I've played, but with less polish and worse graphics. But maybe I am wrong - I considered trying out a few games, but the games I looked at did not even have a demo. That's another common sense approach that would do a lot more in potentially getting me to purchase such a game...
If anything, it's made me frustrated with Valve and these indie developers.
Shrugging,
Ray

SpectralMeat wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 21:30:
So Valve wants to release the game early, and some of you are complaining about it?

It's how they're doing it. All this BS just to maybe release it a day early? Big fucking whoop. If EA, Activision or Ubisoft did something like this people would be looking to crucify them. Just because Valve is doing it makes it any more right. That is, for normal people who don't like to be dicked around.

Kinda surprised anyone really cares about this game THAT much over a day or two, considering Portal 1 was just a free throw in that no one bought the Orange Box specifically for. Portal 1 was fun, but it got tedious towards the end with the complexity, not really a fan of going back to that.

*shrug* I will probably get it, but, like all Steam games, wait until its dirt cheap in a year or two. I still have about 20 games I haven't even installed from the last X-Mas sale.

They're already paying out the ass for the game, just unlock it for them already, sheesh.

Paying more than a dollar for a game isn't paying out the ass Tumbler

Hell has frozen over. Verno and I actually agree on something.

The self entitlement and lack of appreciation around here is ridiculous.

Agreed, this is pretty amusing but also kind of sad that people can't just take a win and enjoy it.

[VG]Reagle wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 22:57:
I agree. The bad part is they originally announced April 18th. They then moved the day to April 19th.

No they didn't. They said it would be released "the week of April 18th". Primary release day for media shipments is Tuesday of the week, which is April 19th. Doesn't take a genius to put some logic together.

THey haVe CREAted expecTATIons

I can not believe people are actually complaining that Valve might release it early, and if they do its only X early and not Y. Jeez, you people suck.

Tumbler wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 23:05:
I was kind of hoping they'd unlock this for PC gamers today at some point...I'm surprised to see how long the timer still has.

http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/?tWEofW

Says 57 hours still...? 48 hours from right now for me would be 8pm on Monday night...and then 9 hours after that it's going to launch? That seems like it will be past the original release date...no? I assumed they'd unlock this at midnight tuesday morning...I'm so confused, just unlock it, it seems more like you're screwing with pc gamers at this point. They're already paying out the ass for the game, just unlock it for them already, sheesh.

I believe Valve's clock only updates when a game is "completed". But the other clocks posted earlier in this thread have their own estimations of earlier unlocks based on total play.

I was kind of hoping they'd unlock this for PC gamers today at some point...I'm surprised to see how long the timer still has.

http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/?tWEofW

Says 57 hours still...? 48 hours from right now for me would be 8pm on Monday night...and then 9 hours after that it's going to launch? That seems like it will be past the original release date...no? I assumed they'd unlock this at midnight tuesday morning...I'm so confused, just unlock it, it seems more like you're screwing with pc gamers at this point. They're already paying out the ass for the game, just unlock it for them already, sheesh.

I agree. The bad part is they originally announced April 18th. They then moved the day to April 19th. Then we have to work for a week and play and buy other games to get it on the 18th. Meanwhile XBOX 360 versions were floating around last week.

GRAB YOUR ANKLES BOYS ..... ITS VALVE TIME

Nobody is complaining about the idea behind the marketing. I think it's a great idea that helps promote both the indies and Portal 2 at the same time. However, the timing of this part of the campaign was poorly thought out. Starting it this close to release means that Portal 2 will only be unlocked a day early and on a workday too. If they had started this last weekend, it would have potentially been unlocked much earlier. Therefore, more people would have been compelled to buy and/or play the indie games involved because the reward would have been more significant.

Again, not a criticism of the idea. Just a criticism of its implementation.

Verno wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 20:26:

nin wrote on Apr 16, 2011, 20:14:
A whopping 24 hours early. What a deal...

Early is early. It's not like they had to do this at all. It's an amusing little promotion that you can safely ignore if it ruffles your feathers that much princess.

Hell has frozen over. Verno and I actually agree on something.

The self entitlement and lack of appreciation around here is ridiculous.

The bitter, the entitlement... I can practically taste it all the way over here.

qq some more, please.

Well, I had 3 of the games, and bought 2 more of the games that had been on my list. I would like to pick up Super Meat Boy, but it is still more expensive than i would spend on a title of that nature.

I have played all 5 of the games I now own in the sack, and must say I enjoyed playing them, and will go back to them and play them some more.

So who cares really. Either play the "game" or don't. We will all soon be playing Portal 2. I don't see why the criticism of their marketing campaign. They are expsoing people to games they wouldn't normally play. Made money for some indie's etc. Even if only 10% of the people go back and play those games, at least they have played them.

And holy cripes But Trip Beat is hard! Addicting as hell.