OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent

Cloud gaming service OnLive is claiming a patent they were awarded last week is fundamental to cloud-based gaming, reports VentureBeat. In an apparent shot across the bows of rivals like Gaikai, OnLive CEO Steve Perlman cites U.S. patent No. 7,849,491, filed in 2002, which covers "Apparatus and method for wireless video gaming." While Perlman did not comment on whether he would be suing his competitors, they say he is trying to work out agreements with them, noting that he has never sued anyone for patent infringement, in spite of personal ownership of over 100 patents. They also say OnLive now anticipates receiving additional related patents from patent offices around the world.
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Dec 16, 2010, 06:56
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Dec 16, 2010, 06:56
 
Beamer I have a question for you. Where do you think "interest" comes from?

Im thinking of "interest" on credit loans and the like...
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Dec 15, 2010, 14:28
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Dec 15, 2010, 14:28
 
Dev wrote on Dec 15, 2010, 01:56:
So what part is wireless again?

The perpetually misused buzzword part.

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Dec 15, 2010, 14:03
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Dec 15, 2010, 14:03
 
Hyatus wrote on Dec 15, 2010, 13:27:
Big Pharm knows that you can use that stuff to help with medical problems and wants to do everything in its power to try and make sure you can't get your hands on it so you can use their solutions instead.

Your economic views are painfully simplistic. It's like you think we're the way we are because people are evil.

Most people aren't evil. But big corporations are. They answer to one thing and one thing only. The almighty dollar.

I agree with everything you've said, but damn.. that Beamer guy has some serious anger issues! Went all crazy, blasting someone who understands the system better than he does.. it's not perfect, and that was my point. lol

For the sake of me being too lazy to quote him... i'll answer some of his questions.

War on Drugs = Capitalism because of how much it costs. It keeps people employed, it keeps the drug dealers employed. Ask the drug dealers if they would like to see Cannabis legalized? The answer is no.

I don't have any answers on how to 'fix' what has already started.. if that were the case this would be easy. However it is true, that corporations are about one thing, and that's money.

Money has helped us get to where we are, but there are some major problems with it.. like corruption.

I don't have the answers, only the questions.
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Dec 15, 2010, 13:27
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent Dec 15, 2010, 13:27
Dec 15, 2010, 13:27
 
Beamer wrote on Dec 15, 2010, 11:15:
the war on drugs

Uh... how is this capitalism? Do you know how much money Philip Morris would be making if they could put a weed vending machine on every street corner? Do you know how much money the government would be making if they could tax it?

Big Pharm knows that you can use that stuff to help with medical problems and wants to do everything in its power to try and make sure you can't get your hands on it so you can use their solutions instead.

Your economic views are painfully simplistic. It's like you think we're the way we are because people are evil.

Most people aren't evil. But big corporations are. They answer to one thing and one thing only. The almighty dollar.
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Dec 15, 2010, 11:15
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent Dec 15, 2010, 11:15
Dec 15, 2010, 11:15
 
The same thing goes for natural/herbal drugs (which actually work, but aren't sold/patented because you can't patent a plant) ..

Uh... no they don't. You're completely missing margins with your whole discussion here.

Same problem with private prisons,

Uh... que?

the war on drugs

Uh... how is this capitalism? Do you know how much money Philip Morris would be making if they could put a weed vending machine on every street corner? Do you know how much money the government would be making if they could tax it?

he real reason we're not all driving electric cars and using solar panels instead of being hooked to the grid..

Because solar panels haven't been efficient enough (and still aren't) to work and because electric cars are powered by coal plants and shifting to them will create as much pollution as cars currently do?

Capitalism falls over eventually

The biggest issue with your lunatic rant is that it completely ignores that someone needs to pay for things.
Could solar panels be more efficient today. Maybe. But there was no market for the less efficient ones. Where do you think the money would come from for R&D to improve them?
Same with electric cars. No market. Why would Ford or BMW start putting heavy money into electric cars when they'd end up losing the investment? The money was better places in making gas cars more efficient. NO ONE wants to be dependent upon OPEC, but our gas dependency is an institution and the switching cost is insanely high. It can't be done overnight.


But, since you're whining about capitalism in simplistic, ignorant terms I assume you think the government and taxpayers should have been the ones funding this change. Well, fine. Great. How do you think we should choose which changes we go on? How do we choose which technologies are best? How do we change if better ones come along? How do we pay for this?


Your economic views are painfully simplistic. It's like you think we're the way we are because people are evil.
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Dec 15, 2010, 09:11
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Dec 15, 2010, 09:11
 
InBlack wrote on Dec 15, 2010, 04:51:
All in all we live in a pretty sad world, our laws made sense 200 years ago when they were written, but for all intents and purposes we replaced our monarchs, dictators and emperors with capitalists who rule from the sidelines, care very little for nations and borders and wield an infinite ammount of power...

Absolutely. The same thing goes for natural/herbal drugs (which actually work, but aren't sold/patented because you can't patent a plant) ..

Same problem with private prisons, the war on drugs and the real reason we're not all driving electric cars and using solar panels instead of being hooked to the grid..

Capitalism falls over eventually.
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Dec 15, 2010, 04:51
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent Dec 15, 2010, 04:51
Dec 15, 2010, 04:51
 
Corporations are notorious for patenting anything and everything they can, its the best and cheapest way to eliminate competition.

Then they can take their time developing a product (or not if its a technology that competes with their own)

All in all we live in a pretty sad world, our laws made sense 200 years ago when they were written, but for all intents and purposes we replaced our monarchs, dictators and emperors with capitalists who rule from the sidelines, care very little for nations and borders and wield an infinite ammount of power...
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent
Dec 15, 2010, 01:56
Dev
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Dec 15, 2010, 01:56
Dev
 
So what part is wireless again?
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Dec 14, 2010, 22:29
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Dec 14, 2010, 21:16
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent Dec 14, 2010, 21:16
Dec 14, 2010, 21:16
 
In a perfect world... there would be no lawyers, politicians, or used car salesmen.

... err wait... they're all the same!
Get your games from GOG DAMMIT!
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent
Dec 14, 2010, 21:16
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent Dec 14, 2010, 21:16
Dec 14, 2010, 21:16
 
Sorry, I like owning my physical copy of my games and my comcast and dsl are not 100% reliable nor fast enough to provide the same gaming experience I have now on my system.

So, Online, to me, fails across the board. It may be good for those that want control to stay in control but fuck all that.

Convenience is the short road to loss of control.
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Dec 14, 2010, 20:58
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Dec 14, 2010, 20:58
 
Well on the bright side after OnLive dies this bullshit will be dead forever!
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Dec 14, 2010, 19:48
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Dec 14, 2010, 19:48
 
tony wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 15:03:
In a perfect world, it would be nice if OnLive enjoys limited success for a few years (enough to stay afloat) until the technology and bandwidth can improve the experience enough to make twitch games suitably playable, and then Valve steps in, takes over OnLive, brings the entire Steam catalog over, and existing users are given access to all of their past purchases via cloud gaming.

In a perfect world.

So everyone can play all their games at 1280x720 with all graphical settings set to medium! Woooo! I can barely hold in the excitement...



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Dec 14, 2010, 18:59
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Dec 14, 2010, 18:59
 
tony wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 15:03:
In a perfect world, it would be nice if OnLive enjoys limited success for a few years (enough to stay afloat) until the technology and bandwidth can improve the experience enough to make twitch games suitably playable, and then Valve steps in, takes over OnLive, brings the entire Steam catalog over, and existing users are given access to all of their past purchases via cloud gaming.

In a perfect world.

Your perfect world is a nightmare.
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Dec 14, 2010, 17:59
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent Dec 14, 2010, 17:59
Dec 14, 2010, 17:59
 
Hey, in a country where you can patent life...

Oh well, at least we finally know how OnLive is planning on making money.
Thank gosh we have this patent for playing videos on the internet! Er..
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Dec 14, 2010, 16:50
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Dec 14, 2010, 16:50
 
So now, we finally know what OnLive is all about: It's not about making money with an amazing online service but to sack any existing or upcoming similiar service provider and to enjoy a nice life from all this royalities...

Good job Perlman!
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Dec 14, 2010, 16:49
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Speak for yourself. My late grandfather had a number of patents awarded to himself from work done at BF Goodrich, stuff my grandmother still receives compensation from.
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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent
Dec 14, 2010, 16:41
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Dec 14, 2010, 16:41
 
I don't understand why the patent process isn't reformed. Patents, by definition, benefit only one corporate entity so you'd think the rest of the industry would vigorously lobby politicians to "fix" this. Yeah, it's not the type of thing a politicians can add to their platform and run on but lobbyists work in other ways too...

Patent law must be brutal to change.
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Dec 14, 2010, 16:36
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Dec 14, 2010, 16:36
 
So it's been out for... three months? Five? And they're already talking about royalties from supposed patents, and casually drop a "Nah, we wouldn't sue 'em... you know, if they pay royalties." in there.

That business model of theirs must be going great!

OnLive is the new Rambus.

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Re: OnLive Claims Cloud Gaming Patent
Dec 14, 2010, 16:33
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Dec 14, 2010, 16:33
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Gaikai might hear from OnLive's lawyer, Mr. Stephen Abootman.
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