Quote of the Day

"The PC will always be the place that drives innovation. The PC is the place where great game developers are born, even—and maybe especially—where great console game developers are born. Halo, Mass Effect, Call of Duty…PC developers first." Ken Levine on Kotaku.
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Oct 30, 2010, 04:17
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Re: Quote of the Day Oct 30, 2010, 04:17
Oct 30, 2010, 04:17
 
Bumpy wrote on Oct 29, 2010, 15:17:
Dirwulf wrote on Oct 29, 2010, 14:26:
What are you smoking? When did the last new console come out? Intel and AMD are always coming out with new processors and ATI is cranking out new video cards every 6 months, if not sooner.

I'm referring to the evolution of each platform as a whole.

What? The PC platform is evolving every day with new hardware, apps and services coming out and no one person can even track it all. MS and Sony can only dream of the vast PC abilities in their relatively tiny walled gardens.

Consoles offer only convenience and ease of use.

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Oct 29, 2010, 22:07
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Re: Quote of the Day Oct 29, 2010, 22:07
Oct 29, 2010, 22:07
 
Alright, there's a great variation of indie games out there and Torchlight and Stalker are indeed good (didn't know about Stalker starting as an indie btw) so I'll take take it back.

But yeah, games like that hold some damn good quality. There's just also so goddamn much indie-crap out there...

Oh well, this or that: PC will always be better than consoles. To me in every single way.
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Oct 29, 2010, 19:54
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Oct 29, 2010, 19:54
 
Eldaron Imotholin wrote on Oct 29, 2010, 18:21:
To say that indie games are the future of the PC.... well, I hope that's not the case. Let games like the ones Icewind mentioned be that future, I pray.

Torchlight and STALKER began indies, Torchlight still is.

Indies are indeed the PC future and many in the industry already recognize it. With games like Heroes of Stalingrad that looks better than most AAA FPS titles out there, I think the future is far better than many of us believe it will be.
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Oct 29, 2010, 18:21
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Oct 29, 2010, 18:21
 
Yup, Creston was full of shit.

As for the whole Indie thing... it's fun the stuff excists, sure, but it's not the stuff I write home about like surprisingly many others seem to do. One of those reasons is point 4 in your list, Icewind, which is "immersion". I've firsthandedly experienced the lack of immersion in console games, due to both the whole "living room couch" setting and tunnel-vision conroller gamplay, which is the number one reason I don't like consoles. Indie games, too, fail to get me "immersed" because they're basically just simple fun. Nothing wrong with simple fun... but then I might aswell get a console.

To say that indie games are the future of the PC.... well, I hope that's not the case. Let games like the ones Icewind mentioned be that future, I pray.
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Oct 29, 2010, 18:13
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Oct 29, 2010, 18:13
 
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Oct 29, 2010, 17:03
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Re: Quote of the Day Oct 29, 2010, 17:03
Oct 29, 2010, 17:03
 
Didn't Ken Levine also say that "the future of the PC [are games like] Farmville, F2P MMOs and Web games"?

Yeah, most of these guys are clueless.

You become and stay a PC Gamer because of 3 things you won't get on the consoles:

1:Mods

2:No multiplayer restrictions (Though they are trying to fuck us over)

3:Better visuals

As for the PC being about "Generic Shooter #572" or whatever that guy said, it's utter bullsh*t and proves that you aren't very knowledgeable.

What about Torchlight? The Witcher? Planescape? S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? Neverwinter Nights? Diablo 2 and later, Diablo 3? These are all PC only games (Don't hold your breath for that Witcher console port or that planned stalker x360 trilogy) that drastically heightened the bar.

Or wonderful programs that bring back classics in a modern age like Exult, DOSbox, PCSX2 or MAME?

Let's face facts: consoles are for kids or people with low incomes who can't afford the superior platform of the PC.
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Oct 29, 2010, 16:39
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Oct 29, 2010, 16:39
 
Well you're wrong because consoles will always be somewhat stripped down versions of the top of the line PC gaming platform that existed 6 months before the console was released. That won't ever change, due to the price ceiling on consoles.
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Oct 29, 2010, 15:17
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Oct 29, 2010, 15:17
 
Dirwulf wrote on Oct 29, 2010, 14:26:
What are you smoking? When did the last new console come out? Intel and AMD are always coming out with new processors and ATI is cranking out new video cards every 6 months, if not sooner.

I'm referring to the evolution of each platform as a whole.
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Oct 29, 2010, 14:41
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Oct 29, 2010, 14:41
 
agreed, i don't see how something that was designed 8-10 years ago(xbox360), could be increasing it's graphics/tech potential over a platform that has seen 2 api generations and countless new evolutions in video processing, and that is still evolving to this day. bumpy your statement is retarted. while i'll agree the games have stagnated on pc, it's a direct result of consoles being stuck in the dx9(windows 98?) duldrums that developers aren't bothering to make much use of the newer api functions available to them on pc.

i'll make a much more accurate statement, lack of console innovation is directly choking innovation on the pc through economic pressure via shareholder's cowardis. on top of that the console's monopoly on innovation are directly responsible for nurturing things like the 3 pronged phallus that walk among us under the pseudonym knobby cocktip.

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Oct 29, 2010, 14:26
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Oct 29, 2010, 14:26
 
Bumpy wrote on Oct 29, 2010, 13:20:
PC hardware and graphic improvements have really slowed down a great deal. Where as consoles are still increasing in power and functions at a fast rate promoting more developer interest.

What are you smoking? When did the last new console come out? Intel and AMD are always coming out with new processors and ATI is cranking out new video cards every 6 months, if not sooner.
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Oct 29, 2010, 14:22
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Oct 29, 2010, 13:20
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Oct 29, 2010, 13:20
 
PC hardware and graphic improvements have really slowed down a great deal. Where as consoles are still increasing in power and functions at a fast rate promoting more developer interest.

Somewhere they will both meet and result in <fill in the blank>. Dunno.

I will continue to support and play PC games as long as it is 'open' and allow me to play a game how I like.
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Oct 29, 2010, 13:08
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Oct 29, 2010, 13:08
 
A console will never be as open a platform as the PC. A console will never allow the level of modding seen on the PC, nor will it allow the 'upgradeability' of a PC. Unless they plan on putting a desk (on which to put a mouse and keyboard) in the center of everyone's living room, the console's control scheme will always be inferior to the PC's. The PC will always be the more versatile platform. I don't care how much like PC's consoles become, they will always be lacking in these areas, and I'll remain a PC gamer for life.
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Oct 29, 2010, 12:53
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Oct 29, 2010, 12:53
 
Creston wrote on Oct 29, 2010, 11:17:
I'm not sure I agree. He lists three games that have little to no innovation in them whatsoever.

There's cool stuff being made in the Indie scene, but most PC developers just churn out "Generic Shooter #1136.A" to please their publisher's shareholders.

There's been good innovation in games on the console. Sure, a lot of that is just the same old shit over and over again, but there have been very good and innovative games on the consoles over the years. Probably more than on the PC.

Thanks God for the Indie scene.


I'm pretty much blown away by that airstrike of bullshit. There's only one thing in your comment that rings true.. and that's that the list of games he mentioned didn't hold the best examples.

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Oct 29, 2010, 12:47
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Oct 29, 2010, 12:47
 
It's still m$ fault developers are put in this position, FORCED to move away from PC development to make a PROFIT. Obviously developers have to develop on console, to stay in business.

It's m$ policies that have brought us (players and developers) to this point. If 90% of the publishing cash is only available for a title with a console release requirement and development studios can't afford to self fund a two or three year twenty man team what choice do they have but to develop on console?

Iirc Levine was a PC only developer until he got bought up by 2k, so he has street creed. Does he come out when 2K screws up, to cover their butts? Yup.
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Oct 29, 2010, 12:25
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Oct 29, 2010, 12:25
 
I am a PC gamer primarily - but only because of the current market ant not by virtue of it just being a PC.

It's just like being a Windows gamer - I don't hate Apple (though its marketing and supporters are fairly insulting,) but I'll game on either platform that exceeds at the price/performance/abundance ratio. Hence, I game on a Windows system.

Looking at PC gaming, it really is stagnating in a lot of ways. There is less and less technological innovation, the GPU market really makes no sense, it is still plagued by technical issues, it's turned away from certain genres, it has a really questionable price to performance ratio, etc.

From my (gaming) perspective, its saving graces are the keyboard/mouse control, the storage, the stronger digital platform, having the ability to achieve the top end performance, and the ability to tweak a wide range of options.

Really, in t a lot ways, it's that last item that I particularly cherish - why don't more games, let you change your keybindings, adjust the graphics settings, adjust the sound levels, etc?

The thing is that consoles are improving at a much faster rate than the PC market is. If there was a day that I could easily, consistently play my consoles with a keyboard and mouse at a native 1080p, have the ability to customize a lot of things, and consoles were a little more indie-friendly, I think I might start questioning why I keep spending so much on a more technologically advanced, but often more stagnant platform.
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Oct 29, 2010, 11:47
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Oct 29, 2010, 11:47
 
I think initially that was the case, yeah, but it's not as if every console developer nowadays was first a PC developer anymore.

Plenty of devs just start out on the console and make good games and innovative games. They don't have to pay their dues on the PC first.

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Oct 29, 2010, 11:46
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Oct 29, 2010, 11:46
 
The Kotaku PC week has been especially depressing, reading from clueless editors to developers who are equally as clueless or, in the worst case, having ulterior motives sure is causing more harm than good for PC gaming.

Still, kudos for at least a mainstream dev defending somewhat the PC as a gaming platform.
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Oct 29, 2010, 11:35
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Oct 29, 2010, 11:35
 
Creston wrote on Oct 29, 2010, 11:17:
I'm not sure I agree. He lists three games that have little to no innovation in them whatsoever.


Well I think that's part of it. They found out that they don't need to innovate on the console and they'll make more money after they paid their dues on the PC.

Realistically, what he's saying is that the PC is where you pay your dues until you get to make a non-innovative polished console game to rake in the dough and retire at 33.
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Oct 29, 2010, 11:17
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Oct 29, 2010, 11:17
 
I'm not sure I agree. He lists three games that have little to no innovation in them whatsoever.

There's cool stuff being made in the Indie scene, but most PC developers just churn out "Generic Shooter #1136.A" to please their publisher's shareholders.

There's been good innovation in games on the console. Sure, a lot of that is just the same old shit over and over again, but there have been very good and innovative games on the consoles over the years. Probably more than on the PC.

Thanks God for the Indie scene.

Anyways, it's just more "Let me blow sunshine up the PC players' asses so that they'll hopefully buy my new console port 'game built for the PC from the ground up'!"

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