Beamer wrote on Sep 21, 2010, 07:35:

Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad

Is being published by a Russian publishing company. So there goes that point.

Only published for East Europe, the rest of the world is still an indie release. So there goes your point. EDIT: There is a fundamental difference between being a publisher that publishes your game while funding the development of said game and simply a publisher that acts only as a distributor. 1C is the latter regarding HoS as they didn't fund one cent of the game's development, they are only going to distribute it. Much like Frictional deal with Paradox for Penumbra, much like Tripwire is doing itself for The Ball and Dwarves, etc. Distributors that do not fund games are still a far throw from a full publisher that funds games.

Beamer wrote on Sep 21, 2010, 07:35:

Natural Selection 2

Wake me when it finds success.
Also, who the hell considers Natural Selection AAA? Who expects it to even hit a million? Who expects it to have the buzz of a AAA?

80.000 pre-orders just for the alpha. Unknown Worlds has very healthy finances and are one of the richer indie devs out there. NS2 has AAA production values and they've even made their own engine. PC Gamer even made a 2 page preview on the printed magazine.

Anything else? Indies are the future, not the shitty mainstream industry which will become a thing of the past The more the mainstream publishers shit on PC gamers, the more PC gamers turn to indies so it's a question of time until we start seeing PC gaming being indie for the most part.

This comment was edited on Sep 21, 2010, 08:02.