On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy

MCV has a story saying a "major news broadcaster" has spiked a story about the upcoming Medal of Honor game after learning that it was based on inaccurate information, as while players will be able to play as Taliban forces, there are no British forces in the game to shoot when playing from that side as one MP claimed. They proceed to point out other inaccurate reports about the military shooter sequel that are floating around, and also report the UK Department for Culture Media and Sport "has declined to endorse fresh calls to ban Medal Of Honor at retail." They also quote a prominent UK retailer saying they still intend to sell the game, though they would honor an official ban if one came down. Finally, Develop quotes EA Games president Frank Gibeau calling the game a "creative risk," and saying it would not be altered based on the outcry of politicians and media groups.
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 26, 2010, 11:51
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 26, 2010, 11:51
Aug 26, 2010, 11:51
 
What a load of shit.
They want to sell copies of a game so badly that they're digging into recent events?
Holy christ. On top of this they're mis-repping the whole shebang, eh?
Nice! It's good to see the games industry is really taking it to a new level of quality. That's really important.

I don't care if it's really recent, but the fact is there is no excuse for mis representing these events.

Anybody being left out from the conflict is both an insult to the discluded as well as to the included.

This is one of the few times I say a developer should be governmentally slapped for bad development process.
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Aug 24, 2010, 13:35
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 24, 2010, 13:35
Aug 24, 2010, 13:35
 
Terrorist: What the big army calls the little army.

I do not support "terrorism" in any way, but at the same time I imagine a lot of innocenet families in Iraq and Afghanistan have been terrorized and destroyed by American and British invasion forces. Time to get off your judgmental horses.
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 24, 2010, 00:21
Kxmode
 
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 24, 2010, 00:21
Aug 24, 2010, 00:21
 Kxmode
 
Shooman wrote on Aug 23, 2010, 16:56:
Easy fix. In all references to the Taliban, just rename like so; "Schalaban".
Problem fixed.

Or "Shenanigans".
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 24, 2010, 00:12
Prez
 
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 24, 2010, 00:12
Aug 24, 2010, 00:12
 Prez
 
Not sure why this is a controversy. I was pretty disgusted at the part of MW2 where you have to shoot innocents to complete a level, but the Taliban, while guilty of their own atrocities towards civilians, actually engage armed forces in combat. This is presumably what the game is focusing on. The distinction is massive in my mind.

Getting upset because they named the enemy after an actual group seems ridiculous, but hey, it's cool to be offended by everything these days.

Has anybody thought of asking American, British or other allied forces who are also fans of FPS videogames what they think?

Yup - PC Gamer did. The overwhelming feeling on the part of those polled is that it's no big deal.
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Aug 23, 2010, 21:28
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 23, 2010, 21:28
Aug 23, 2010, 21:28
 
Jonny wrote on Aug 23, 2010, 15:04:
David Cameron's trying to modernise the Tory party, a good flash of old school toff whipping up the scruffy proles like this must have made him.

Toff Bobby
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 23, 2010, 20:29
Syd
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 23, 2010, 20:29
Aug 23, 2010, 20:29
Syd
 
eunichron wrote on Aug 23, 2010, 20:00:
As a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan... who fucking cares?

Despite whether the game is crap or not, I'm glad someone finally found their backbone and is standing up to the thought police.

QFT
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 23, 2010, 20:00
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Aug 23, 2010, 20:00
 
As a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan... who fucking cares?

Despite whether the game is crap or not, I'm glad someone finally found their backbone and is standing up to the thought police.
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 23, 2010, 18:10
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 23, 2010, 18:10
Aug 23, 2010, 18:10
 
tuddies wrote on Aug 23, 2010, 12:04:
It's a GAME - you should be able to shoot anybody you want! What's the big deal? Why not mow down an army of Mother Teresas?


Because they aren't ordinary Mother Teresas- They're... Mecha-Teresas.
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Aug 23, 2010, 16:57
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 23, 2010, 16:57
Aug 23, 2010, 16:57
 
still not as embarrassing as the Call of Duty Collector's edition coming with a MEDAL...I mean, really?!

^m^
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 23, 2010, 16:56
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 23, 2010, 16:56
Aug 23, 2010, 16:56
 
Easy fix. In all references to the Taliban, just rename like so; "Schalaban".
Problem fixed.
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 23, 2010, 16:37
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 23, 2010, 16:37
Aug 23, 2010, 16:37
 
Controversy is the only thing this game has going for it.
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Aug 23, 2010, 15:04
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy Aug 23, 2010, 15:04
Aug 23, 2010, 15:04
 
OldScho0l wrote on Aug 23, 2010, 14:46:
So let me get this straight. It's ok for British to kill the sub-human Taliban, but it's not ok for the Tailban to defend themselves and shoot back at the 'superior' British? It's not like the Taliban went to Britain and started this fight. I bet that the British would have had the same reaction if there were video games back during the revolutionary war.
What a bunch of circle jerking.

It's just good old fashioned jingoism straight from the victorian era. Dumbasses from The Sun and The Daily Mail use it to sell papers and Liam Fox is jumping on the bandwagon to suck up. They kill fathers and husbands while we kill terrorists is such a monumentally unsubtle bit of manipulation that nobody is going to fall for it.

David Cameron's trying to modernise the Tory party, a good flash of old school toff whipping up the scruffy proles like this must have made him :-facepalm-: .
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:46
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:46
 
So let me get this straight. It's ok for British to kill the sub-human Taliban, but it's not ok for the Tailban to defend themselves and shoot back at the 'superior' British? It's not like the Taliban went to Britain and started this fight. I bet that the British would have had the same reaction if there were video games back during the revolutionary war.
What a bunch of circle jerking.
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:45
PHJF
 
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:45
 PHJF
 
In about 20-30 years when the current crop of old fucks all die they'll take their video game vitriol with them, and we'll be left entirely with people who grew up on or around video games.

"The Media" only panders to the aforementioned old fucks tuning in.
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 23, 2010, 14:42
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:42
 
there are no British forces in the game

So they claim it's being actuate to the conflict then say no British forces, have they no idea how any many UK troops have died in that region alone since the conflict started?
Not sure if it's more insulting to British forces to exclude them or allow you to shoot them!
Either way we non-Americans are used to you lot re-writing history, but this time it's not even history yet. It's still happening. British troops are still dying out there today. That's what makes it a little unsettling.

PS: I've no problem with WWII shooters, or shooting US troops playing as a Nazi, I just think of it as friendly fire
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What do the troops think?
Aug 23, 2010, 14:41
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What do the troops think? Aug 23, 2010, 14:41
Aug 23, 2010, 14:41
 
Has anybody thought of asking American, British or other allied forces who are also fans of FPS videogames what they think? My experience with other online military FPSs is that there are a lot of armed services members who like to play these games, and probably understand that games like this are better when there are teams of "good guys" and "bad guys" battling it out. I don't think any of them mistake this for being an endorsement of the real life bad guys.
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:24
Kxmode
 
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:24
 Kxmode
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Aug 23, 2010, 14:00:
Besides I don't understand why media picks on games so much lately, some recent movies that came out in the past year or so are much more violent than games yet I did not hear a single news story about any movies, nor I saw any moms or dads of fallen soldiers on TV complaining about movie A or movie B.

Because the first film was made in 1878 (The Horse In Motion), while the first video game was made in 1958 (Tennis for Two). Film has been around much longer than video games and is more tolerated and accepted. It's going to take several more generations until video games are at the level of film.

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Aug 23, 2010, 14:11
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:11
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Aug 23, 2010, 14:00:
Besides I don't understand why media picks on games so much lately, some recent movies that came out in the past year or so are much more violent than games yet I did not hear a single news story about any movies, nor I saw any moms or dads of fallen soldiers on TV complaining about movie A or movie B.
As a mass medium, games are too "young", too unknown for the public. There are still enough uninformed people out there, who will belive any lies the media throws at them. And being so young, games are perfect for projecting fear and paranoia.

In one or two generations, games have settled in our public "midst", they are "normal". Just remember the fuss about rock music or long hair or Elvis or alcohol ... immoral moving pictures, endangering our kids and our proud, god-loving christian culture
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:06
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:06
 Verno
 
I was thinking Activision may have planted the story to make Medal of Honor look bad. There wasn't much going against CoD MW2 last year when they did the play as a russian terrorist story thing, this time around it looks a bit more malicious and considering how much activision has to lose if Medal of Honor sucks any dollars away it could be them.

Maybe I'm mistaken and this is helping get the game noticed? Doesn't seem to be doing this in my opinion but maybe it's a good thing?

I mean, I know people hate Activision(heck I'm one of them) but that's just silly dude MW2 sold the majority of what it will sell a long time ago.
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Re: On Medal of Honor's Taliban Controversy
Aug 23, 2010, 14:00
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Aug 23, 2010, 14:00
 
You know when these developers set out to make a new game they can call the bad guys whatever and the good guys whatever. Do you seriously think that they call the bad guys in this game Taliban for no reason?

The more controversial the theme of the game is the more the news will talk about it therefore expose this game to the more people. The more people know/talks about it the more will check out the finished game.

It is like free advertising.
How come the news doesn't talk about Mafia 2 a game that takes you on the journey of becoming mobster, and kill sometimes innocent people, cops, rob stores, steal cars, etc etc. The theme of that game is not as controversial as the theme of MoH, even though I don't think Mafia2 will be less violent than MoH.

Besides I don't understand why media picks on games so much lately, some recent movies that came out in the past year or so are much more violent than games yet I did not hear a single news story about any movies, nor I saw any moms or dads of fallen soldiers on TV complaining about movie A or movie B.
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