Given the language of the press release, I don't see any reason to doubt it's an all-in figure. If they had said it sold 1 million at retail then obviously it would be a different story

Verno wrote on Aug 3, 2010, 11:34:
And VGChartz was off by 800,000 units

Blizzard doesn't say if they included digital purchases through thier site or not in the announcement, or at least I didn't see anything in it about it.

But yeah, the only real figures are the ones blizzard releases.

And VGChartz was off by 800,000 units

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It's extremely funny to read Verno's words about personal beef.

I really don't want to know about where Verno's personal beef, or how he goes looking for others personal beef.

If your maturity level cannot countenance social interaction with people you don't like then use the ignore feature

I think this would be a good opportunity to mention that Verno put me on his ignore list too.

It's extremely funny to read Verno's words about personal beef. You know, boy, if you haven't ignored me already: You have a way of making people have a beef with you by your incapability not to attack them with your dastardly yet foul choice of words. You're literally always nit-picking the comments of others, descretely trying to piss them off and get them off-balance. It's an (almost) unfair smart-ass demeanor some people choose to use in their way of life. It's insulting and disgusting, and if you don't know you're doing it.. then that's just horrid.

I might be the pot calling the kettle black in this comment, but so be it. I can spend an hour -- considering the fact I'm Dutch -- writing a politcally correct comment but I can't be arsed. There you have it.

Krovven wrote on Jul 29, 2010, 17:44:
Heed your own advice. Not everyone owes you or anyone else complete transparency when it comes to their sources or how they arrive at information. But you sure act like they do.

You just got finished demanding proof of something which is some pretty amusing hypocrisy but let's ignore that for a moment. I'm not the one barking at you and telling you to "learn how to fuckin do this and that". You know who does owe me(and everyone else) information? Companies presenting information to the public, at least if they want you to take it seriously. They don't disclose hence I don't take it seriously.

View it however you want. You're the one trying to tell me how view it. The worst I've done is point out to you that I think its worthless. I'm allowed to think it sucks, I'm allowed to say it sucks and other people are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours. In fact all I said here was that it was about as accurate as a gamestop employee and a random number. Other people said worse in this and other threads but you don't try to single them out, its your personal beef as usual. In the context of this topic that's probably closer to the truth than you'd like to admit too

Again, heed your own advice. Question the information...absolutely. But spouting off all the time to everyone about how wrong information is without providing anything to support your claims, or making childish comments as you did, just makes you look like an idiot and a troll.

Why don't you let me worry about how I look, hmm? The childish name calling aside, people disagreeing with you isn't trolling and the world is allowed to have valid opinions that differ from your own. If your maturity level cannot countenance social interaction with people you don't like then use the ignore feature

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It is possible to interact without having the worlds largest chip on your shoulder

Heed your own advice. Not everyone owes you or anyone else complete transparency when it comes to their sources or how they arrive at information. But you sure act like they do.

But you don't get to silence other people about it either and if you don't like it, use the ignore button

Again, heed your own advice. Question the information...absolutely. But spouting off all the time to everyone about how wrong information is without providing anything to support your claims, or making childish comments as you did, just makes you look like an idiot and a troll.

But hey, I never said you -had- to see the big picture on this.

You are the one that doesn't see the big picture. All you see is black and white, right and wrong. I've already explained in detail why this is.

If you want to look at VGChartz and use their information

I'd rather view VGChartz estimations out of personal interest, with full understanding that it's never going to be entirely accurate. Versus, your method of 'It's wrong, but I can't tell you why it's wrong, VGChartz just sucks, cus they're wrong'.

Krovven wrote on Jul 29, 2010, 14:51:
Learn what the fuck etc

It is possible to interact without having the worlds largest chip on your shoulder, just FYI. Your hyperbole aside, I don't trust a company that will not disclose its sources when they are in the business of gathering and presenting that information. You can say they estimating based on data but the fact remains you have neither seen nor can you even identify how they arrive at their figures. In fact the most detailed I've seen so far is that they estimated digital sales by looking at order numbers which is incredibly presumptive and flawed but I give them some credit for at least being up front about it.

But hey, I never said you -had- to see the big picture on this. I can exist happily without forcing the world to share my opinion, its videogames and not votes after all. If you want to look at VGChartz and use their information then hey whatever, its your life. But you don't get to silence other people about it either and if you don't like it, use the ignore button

I don't think you have a clue what the difference is between, "estimates based on various data" and "guesses".

Learn what the fuck an "estimate" means and that estimates have a margin of error. Understanding that the numbers aren't 100% accurate, but are based on various accumulated sources, taking that into consideration, is a far cry from just outright "doubting" their numbers. Telling everyone that VGChartz is wrong, without any other source refuting their "estimates" is just trolling.

And I don't speak up about others because they don't harp on about it in every related thread, and didn't attack me and make a big issue out of it in another thread when I used VGChartz numbers as a reference.

I notice you have no issue with other people doubting VGZ, just me They readily admit how they come up with their guesses on their own website, I don't need to back up anything. I have no problem with guesses either, I just don't call them data because that's false.

Anyways I'm in way too good of a mood to bicker with you Dagok so you will have to look elsewhere for your aggression outlet today

VGChartz sales data is about as reliable as asking the 18 year old behind the counter at Gamestop then adding a random number to his answer.

You must have a personal vendetta against them or something to keep harping on with nothing to back it up.

In a post linked today, MCV states that there are now 38.1 million PS3's sold worldwide. Considering that the data on VGChartz hasn't been updated (states 36.1 million), and the PS3 sold 2.4 million units in the last quarter, VGChartz info is pretty damn close. Nobody (except for you maybe) expects the numbers to be perfect, only Sony has those.

same as it was 12 years ago but with a coat of paint. a wet dream to tell ya the truth the more I play this the more I like it.

I had to edit my rant it was unjustified and immature.

WOW I LOVE THIS GAME....i hope this is better now

This comment was edited on Jul 29, 2010, 12:41.

Thanks. Also I've heard that if 14 days runs out before you use the 7 hours, you lose the trial. In other words, it lasts 7 hours of playtime or 14 days, whatever happens first.

That is correct. The trial expires after 14 days if you use it or not. Forgot to mention that. I think mine says Aug 11 at some random time.

I'm still pretty meh about the game so far. I think I've done 5 missions? The gameplay seems to drag at times and missions take 20-30 min and I don't feel like much happens besides I build a lot of marines and shoot everything. The content between missions is...amazing. When I said where is the game from those video clips...well that is a game in itself. Everything is modeled in 3D and it looks just like cutscenes you'd get walking around a sci-fi space shooter. Reminds me of mass effect with all the conversations and such.

The upgrades and research options are cool but I don't see much of this crossing over into multiplayer? One of the first units you get in the SP game is a medic but he's not in multiplayer? And the upgrades you earn in SP like auto turrets on top of your bunkers, I don't see anyway to use that in MP? It's a little confusing to play mp after you've been playing SP.

I ran the game on my laptop as well just to test it and with everything on low is ran great, so that is pretty exciting for me just to have a recent game work on that thing is a surprise. (DoW2 ran like ass)

Blizzard setup a very slick system with battle.net and the ability to download the game and play it from multiple machines, 3 in the same night here, is really nice. (I used the one download, didn't re-download to each machine)

I think I'd pay $39.99 for this, I had thought maybe $29.99 but getting to play the full game on 3 machines like this has been pretty nice, and seeing the full game for myself has been fun so at some point I'll buy this.

That's would appear to be the case, but even so...

Erm...they count pre-orders??

Ok, now this is interesting, amusing, stunning,... pick your adjective. From Amazon -- their top sales in PC games:

1. Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty
495 days in the top 100

2. StarCraft Battle Chest
1261 days in the top 100

3. Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty Collector's Edition
68 days in the top 100

4. World Of Warcraft Expansion: Burning Crusade
1586 days in the top 100

5. World of Warcraft by Blizzard Entertainment
2184 days in the top 100

VGChartz sales data is about as reliable as asking the 18 year old behind the counter at Gamestop then adding a random number to his answer.

Not surprised.

SC2 won't get my $$ though since I am not into SC. I love C&C games except its crappy RA3 and C&C4.


The Lost Viking is a space arcade shooter? I thought it was the original Blizzard side scroller game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Vikings ... DOH! LOL!

This comment was edited on Jul 29, 2010, 08:50.