killer_roach wrote on May 20, 2010, 10:10:

shaggy wrote on May 20, 2010, 08:42:
Most people do not know how to care for thier PCs. ie updates, knowing NOT to install crapware, and their hardware is not as high-end as apple hardware.

... But agreed completely on the fact that the average Windows user leaves their system in a kludgy mess. Having to help fix some people's computers in the past few months, never knew somebody could get a system in such a state...

And that means $$$ for us!

shaggy wrote on May 20, 2010, 08:42:
Most people do not know how to care for thier PCs. ie updates, knowing NOT to install crapware, and their hardware is not as high-end as apple hardware.

Not sure on the "high-end" part (a $2000 Macbook really isn't much different hardware than a $1000-1200 Dell or HP laptop), but where the Mac really shines? Consistency in hardware. Pretty easy to ensure stability when you're coding for a very small subset of hardware. It's almost a console-like setup...

But agreed completely on the fact that the average Windows user leaves their system in a kludgy mess. Having to help fix some people's computers in the past few months, never knew somebody could get a system in such a state...

Most people do not know how to care for thier PCs. ie updates, knowing NOT to install crapware, and their hardware is not as high-end as apple hardware.

So users who have crappy hardware and do not know much have their systems crash a bit more often, haha. Well, DUH!

Yeah Steam for Mac is a bit buggy. I've had it launch Torchlight in demo mode a number of times for no reason, and once when my battery went to 0% and the computer forced hibernate, upon wake under power Steam wouldn't see that I quit Torchlight and didn't want to quit.
Nothing a "Force Quit" doesn't solve though...
Overall, a good experience.

ForgedReality wrote on May 20, 2010, 01:39:

Bob wrote on May 20, 2010, 00:15:
Without hearing more detail, it sounds like they need to check out their cross-platform tools. Something's not right if one platform is crashing 5x more than another.

5x? Did you mean 20%?

Nope.

Mac's Steam is very new so it is bound to have problems compared to old Windows'. IIRC, Windows' Steam was buggy when it first came out! Remember?

Bob wrote on May 20, 2010, 00:15:
Without hearing more detail, it sounds like they need to check out their cross-platform tools. Something's not right if one platform is crashing 5x more than another.

5x? Did you mean 20%?

Without hearing more detail, it sounds like they need to check out their cross-platform tools. Something's not right if one platform is crashing 5x more than another.

Average Joe's PC is a nightmarish wasteland of environment fails.

Not to mention that there are 10x more PC users on wildly different hardware pretty much means more bug exposure.

I also don't see how mac version of portal can be more stable than the windows version thats been out for 3 years. A good number of people in several forums talking about the mac version I have been following are having some launch issues of some type.

killer_roach wrote on May 19, 2010, 22:01:

Weird. I don't think Portal has EVER crashed on me, and I wouldn't go near a mac.

I'd like to see how crash rates break down amongst platforms, as the differing driver models between XP and Vista/7 would likely give completely different results...

Yeah huh? Golf clap.

Weird. I don't think Portal has EVER crashed on me, and I wouldn't go near a mac.

I'd like to see how crash rates break down amongst platforms, as the differing driver models between XP and Vista/7 would likely give completely different results...

# Portal (with the same code base across platforms) is one fifth as likely to crash on a Mac than on Windows.

Weird. I don't think Portal has EVER crashed on me, and I wouldn't go near a mac.