Yee Against Banning Ultra-Violent Games

An interview on latimes.com talks with California State Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) about video game violence (thanks Neoseeker) in light of the US Supreme Court agreeing to judge the constitutionality of the law Yee authored to prohibit the sale and rental of violent video games to children. Yee presents his case in a reasonable fashion, admitting it's "a fair criticism" that he is attempting to regulate a medium with which he is unfamiliar, but countering: "With a movie you can sit there for two hours and see everything. In these violent games, parents may never fully understand what they contain because you have to be a very sophisticated player to trigger them." He also calls games "artful," saying he would never favor an outright ban:
This is where some critics misunderstand me. I think video games are artful and it takes a lot of creativity to make them. I also think the interactive nature of them and the technology behind them can have great educational value.

I'm never going to be the person who stands up and says we should ban these ultra-violent video games. I'm just saying children ought not to be allowed to access them unless a parent buys it for them. Otherwise, video games are just as worthy under the 1st Amendment as movies.
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May 6, 2010, 20:43
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May 6, 2010, 20:43
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Hellbinder quit with your nanny state sanctimoniousness! Brood
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May 6, 2010, 10:32
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May 6, 2010, 10:32
 
Hellbinder there are so many things wrong with what you said I don't even want to bother listing them because I am fairly sure that you are impervious to reason and evidence. It is reason and evidence that should decide matters like these and not your personal ideas of morality which are mutable and not universal.

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May 6, 2010, 03:22
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May 6, 2010, 03:22
 
Prez wrote on May 5, 2010, 23:59:
Wait - are you saying that the Christian Crusaders didn't actually play "Medieval Total War" prior to slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people? I suppose next you're going to tell me that "Manhunt" wasn't the cause of radical Muslims coming up with the concept of beheading people as punishment...

Gaming and its capacity to influence behavior aside, the first Crusade was called by Pope Urban II in response to centuries of jihad.
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May 6, 2010, 02:59
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May 6, 2010, 02:59
 
I don't get it. With TV Shows like CSI, Law and Order, etc, I'm seeing way more gore and violence than most games. At least games look unreal. Why aren't these people focusing on television?
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May 5, 2010, 23:59
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May 5, 2010, 23:59
 Prez
 
Wait - are you saying that the Christian Crusaders didn't actually play "Medieval Total War" prior to slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people? I suppose next you're going to tell me that "Manhunt" wasn't the cause of radical Muslims coming up with the concept of beheading people as punishment...
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May 5, 2010, 23:51
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May 5, 2010, 23:51
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Are you aware the Romans, two thousand years before the invention of the personal computer, forced slaves to fight each other to the death purely to placate thousands of spectators?

And we're the vile, evil ones? Don't be so obtuse. The only vile course of action would be to enshroud our youth under cloaks of lies aimed at their "protection." The only thing you want to protect kids from is GROWING UP. Shielding them from the violent, tumultuous reality of the human condition is the only crime to be committed.
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May 5, 2010, 23:47
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May 5, 2010, 23:47
 Prez
 
LOL @ Hellbinder. Rotfl
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May 5, 2010, 22:48
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Re: Yee Against Banning Ultra-Violent Games May 5, 2010, 22:48
May 5, 2010, 22:48
 
I’m just going to say it. Virtually every last one of you is pathetic. You see more violence on CNN than in these games? Really? I work with 9 and 10 year old boys who play games they have no business even know exist.

You guys are so utterly blind to how degenerate the society is that you cant see it because you have been corrupted and damaged by it. *NO ONE* child or adult should be getting enjoyment out of games or anything else that promotes, encourages, entertains, makes you dwell on and or participate or enjoy mutilation of people violent sex acts drug use or other heinous crimes.

It is utterly CONDEMNING of all of you that you enjoy this kind of garbage yourselves. Let alone children. The First amendment has *NOTHING* to do with play acting murder and mutilation. The only reason any of you think it does is because you are perverse and demented by your past and current participation in these things.
This kind of garbage should not be put into children or teenagers heads. Via movies games or music. The Human brain is a computer and what you program it with affects you. All of you on this site are proof of that fact. It doesn’t mean you will all be axe murderers, but it does mean that with each decade the depths of outright evil we need to *entertain* us gets worse and worse and it does and will have a cost.

It should be a felony to sell an M rated game to anyone under the Age of 18 *PERIOD*

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May 5, 2010, 22:02
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Charlie_Six wrote on May 5, 2010, 21:39:
Personally I don't care if these games are banned from kids ...

Ahh I misunderstood your earlier comment as "ban entirely" not just from kids. But still I don't want the government deciding where any "line" is and whether we've crossed it. I don't want them deciding what is and isn't "good taste".

Charlie_Six wrote on May 5, 2010, 21:39:
... no one has really made a violent game that was all that great. They're nihilistic fun and that's it.

If you don't think Grand Theft Auto as a series was all that great, then you're by far in the minority. What's wrong with nihilistic fun?
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May 5, 2010, 21:41
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May 5, 2010, 21:41
 
I am American.
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I think the point of this law is that if a parent fails to raise their kids a certain way, and that child goes off and kills people, then the parent has allowed a dangerous situation to spill out of their household and inflict harm on society at large. Your freedom ends where someone else's freedom begins, etc etc. So it's not about any parent's individual desire to get "help from the government in raising and handling [their] kids", it's about preventing the misraised children of OTHER parents from killing your children in school.

I think this law is being brought about because of school shootings and the disproportionately high number of murders that are committed by young males. No one can prove that games increase murderous behavior, but many people seem unwilling to take even a nearly non-existent amount of risk on the issue, and see very little reason not to legally prevent kids from playing these games anyway. (Personally I don't care if these games are banned from kids, because after so many decades of games, no one has really made a violent game that was all that great. They're nihilistic fun and that's it. And I don't believe in the paranoid "slippery slope" arguments out there. Even if a violent game is amazing, what exactly does society lose if people are made to wait until they are 18 to play it?)

Take that game Rapelay, where you rape young girls. I'm pretty sure that's considered child porn in the US and is illegal. There's no way to prove that playing Rapelay encourages a person to rape a young girl in real life, but few people are willing to take that risk for the sake of free speech.


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May 5, 2010, 21:25
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Charlie_Six wrote on May 5, 2010, 21:17:
Although I probably wouldn't care much if super violent games were banned entirely too.

I hope you're not an American.
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May 5, 2010, 21:17
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May 5, 2010, 21:17
 
Same here. Although I probably wouldn't care much if super violent games were banned entirely too.
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May 5, 2010, 20:37
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Prez wrote on May 5, 2010, 20:03:
As a parent, the only "help" I need is that the very reasonable regulations already in place be enforced at retail, and from what I've seen recently, they pretty much are. The rest is my job - I neither need nor desire help from the government in raising and handling my kids.

I hate posting something like, "yeah, this!"...but. Yeah. This.
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May 5, 2010, 20:03
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May 5, 2010, 20:03
 Prez
 
As a parent, the only "help" I need is that the very reasonable regulations already in place be enforced at retail, and from what I've seen recently, they pretty much are. The rest is my job - I neither need nor desire help from the government in raising and handling my kids.

I let my daughter (9) play Left 4 Dead 2 (she is DAMN good, too!) and my son has been playing GTA since he was 13. Both are sweet, polite, well-mannered and well-adjusted kids. These Congressmen and women are really barking up the wrong tree.
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May 5, 2010, 19:33
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FloorPie wrote on May 5, 2010, 18:19:
My favorite was the story of a gamestop employee telling a mom what the game was all about and her saying, "well, he really really wants it...".

When I worked at GameStop that would happen about 50% of the time. Occasionally they would say something like, "I'm aware of the rating but he is a smart kid and I trust him." Very rarely would anyone change their mind and not buy the game. Generally, when they've spent time picking the game up and waiting in line, they're not going to change their mind at the counter.
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May 5, 2010, 18:22
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May 5, 2010, 18:22
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They CAN refuse to rate your games in the future

If that ever happens then being "unrated" will just become an instant selling point like it did for DVDs.
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"With a movie you can sit there for two hours and see everything. In these violent games, parents may never fully understand what they contain because you have to be a very sophisticated player to trigger them."

And this is why Mr. State Senator Yee is an idiot. Violent video games don't make me want to shoot people. Idiot politicians do when you hear of insane laws/policies that are unfair, full of prejudice and really hurt people.

We've had lawsuits with Grand Theft Auto thanks to another tard, Jack Thompson where a granny complained she had no idea how violent/sexual the game was when it had a "Mature" rating on it for her sweet widdle grandson. Most of us around games have seen or heard of the wimp parent who won't take a stand and tell little Johnny "no, I won't buy you that copy of grand theft auto3 for your 12th birthday". My favorite was the story of a gamestop employee telling a mom what the game was all about and her saying, "well, he really really wants it...".

I thought my cousin was a little harsh on her restrictions for her two sons (12-14 at the time IIRC) with a couple of xbox games (halo1 and alcohol warning on a DnD hack n slash game) but I could respect her decision and at least she actually cared about her kids.

At least some of these nanny state cry babies have started getting Cosmo type magazines hidden behind a plastic cover like Playboy etc..
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entr0py wrote on May 5, 2010, 17:05:
Creston, yeah I'd worry too that it would be as enforced or treated like porn. I don't expect that the very limited version of this that I'd find reasonable is actually on the table. More likely it would be disastrous to the industry (except maybe Nintendo).

But I also understand the anger of parents if their kids are sold something extremely violent (including movies) without their knowledge or permission. They'd have to be quite the control freaks to keep an eye on their kids absolutely all the time and never give them any allowance. And there's never any reason to sell a clearly labeled adult product to kids.

Maybe the industry just needs to do more to assure parents that they really won't sell mature games to kids without ID. And that if it does happen there will be serious consequences for the retailer and employee.

As a parent, you're supposed to keep an eye on your kids, and not shift responsibility for what they see and do to someone else. I know parents who just let their kids go to see whatever movie they want (and I once saw this jackass take his 3 year old son to see Blade 2, and that movie freaked ME out! The poor kid was practically pissing himself, he was so scared. He was literally turned around in his seat for most of the movie. The idiot father? Never noticed, or never cared.)

At the same time, I also know parents who prescreen EVERY movie they let their kid go see, and have to approve every game they play, etc. And sure, the kid could play stuff at their friend's house (which this law won't do shit against anyways), or they could try to buy it secretly and play it in secret, but if their parents find out, I KNOW that 360 gets put away and is NOT used again. So those kids know better than to try.

It's just effective parenting, and not being fucking lazy and letting others do what is YOUR (not you personally, of course ) job to do as a parent.

If parents all over the world would take some responsibility for the way their kids are raised, this would never even be an issue.

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I for one am for banning Ultra Violet video games, amiright?*(anyone remember that mess of a movie?)
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