DG wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 20:18:Anonymous Rex wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 16:21:Far as I can see I'm the only one mentioning signing things, specifically "well they agreed to it".
It's easy to say "Well don't sign it." And it sounds easy right up until you're actually in that position, and you discover that the alternative is not working.
But... They did.
Anonymous Rex wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 16:21:Far as I can see I'm the only one mentioning signing things, specifically "well they agreed to it".
It's easy to say "Well don't sign it." And it sounds easy right up until you're actually in that position, and you discover that the alternative is not working.
Zyrxil wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 09:35:MMORPGHoD wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 09:30:No, not absolutely. We have no idea how these bonuses were promised. If it was in a contract with specific terms, if you met those terms it doesn't matter if you were still at the company when they gave them out a year or 5 years or 10 years later, you'd still be owed the bonus.
Could the company have withheld it and been legally correct to do so? Absolutely.
Creston wrote on Apr 22, 2010, 23:12:
Ehm, I'm fairly sure that's illegal, unless this bonus is somehow tied to them being in the employ of Activision.
If the bonus is for the work done on MW2, they have to pay it to the employees who worked on MW2, irregardless of their current employment status.
Fucking Activision. They have to be the worst fucking place to work by now in the entire gaming industry.
Creston
Jackplug wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 11:34:I'm pretty sure you're wrong, unfortunately. The last CoD was a slap in the face to gamers, and PC gamers in particular, yet it sold like hotcakes.
Now activision have lost all the main staff of IW and now only have the name left and the Cod IP, which is useless cos noone will buy a CoD game off Activision after what they have done.
Lincolns Mullet wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 10:04:
One thing I learned being in the industry, you don't have shit until it's in your hands. Contracts, promises...all bullshit and mean nothing. There is a way to get around everything.
Drezden wrote on Apr 22, 2010, 22:42:My thoughts exactly. The quote from Activision is greed in it's purest form. It's all about the money. It's sad to see that not only do they not care about feature rich, quality products for their customers, but that they could care less about the happiness of their actual employees too. This company is about uncompromising greed with virtually no other priorities. It's sickening.
I like how he's "confused"
To some people loyalty and working in a healthy environment is more important than Activisions money. How does he not get that.
Sleeeeepy wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 06:37:
Yeah I would just wait until the bonus is paid then get the fuck out. I'm sure Respawn will keep a few seats warm, and even if they don't you leave with a nice bonus and one of the most financially successful games in history on your CV.
MMORPGHoD wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 09:30:No, not absolutely. We have no idea how these bonuses were promised. If it was in a contract with specific terms, if you met those terms it doesn't matter if you were still at the company when they gave them out a year or 5 years or 10 years later, you'd still be owed the bonus.
Could the company have withheld it and been legally correct to do so? Absolutely.
Beamer wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 00:57:
So anyone saying this is shady is really, really, really, really incorrect.
For a while people speculated that Activision fired them to avoid paying the bonus. Now Activision is saying they still paid the same amount of bonus they would have before, only distributed to fewer people.
This is not a way to force people to remain. Bonuses are contractually obligated on a certain date. Stay to that date and get your bonus. Leave before and forfeit (which is why, when this went down, I speculated a mass exodus whenever bonuses are paid. Seems like no one waited.)
Again, talk to anyone in a bonus-driven industry. Video games, investment banking, happens everywhere. Hell, most of you in other industries get year-end bonuses based on performance, right? If you quit on December 1st do you expect that Christmas bonus to still be paid?
Beamer wrote on Apr 23, 2010, 00:57:Ehm, I'm fairly sure that's illegal, unless this bonus is somehow tied to them being in the employ of Activision.
Duh.
Ask anyone in the industry: if you leave the company before the date bonuses are paid out then you forfeit your bonus.
It's the same in nearly every industry. You need to be a part of the industry when bonuses are paid to get your bonus. It's not commission, in which you get it for making a sale.
So anyone saying this is shady is really, really, really, really incorrect.
For a while people speculated that Activision fired them to avoid paying the bonus. Now Activision is saying they still paid the same amount of bonus they would have before, only distributed to fewer people.
This is not a way to force people to remain. Bonuses are contractually obligated on a certain date. Stay to that date and get your bonus. Leave before and forfeit (which is why, when this went down, I speculated a mass exodus whenever bonuses are paid. Seems like no one waited.)
Again, talk to anyone in a bonus-driven industry. Video games, investment banking, happens everywhere. Hell, most of you in other industries get year-end bonuses based on performance, right? If you quit on December 1st do you expect that Christmas bonus to still be paid?