NKD wrote on Mar 12, 2010, 03:04:

Creston wrote on Mar 11, 2010, 21:23:
Hmm. So much for the rumors that Kasumi would be a party member, I guess?

Article says she's a party member... so I don't know what you mean.

Yeah, my bad.

Creston

Very well, you shall be rightfully corrected ;p Mission restart is at 26h 40m - absolute final end-game save is at 28h

Linky -> http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2213/me2timeto100percent.jpg

100% scan, completion, every mission done, Zaed not loyal (i choose the paragon choice here) and i admit that i sometimes skipped dialog but i always read every dialog line before skipping it.

Thats after fooling around 2 hours to solve the remaining things, and simply visit everything again. Also i spend a lot of time to talk to all my crew even after the main mission ended to find out all the dialog, so that added another 2 hours (you gotta fly around and go on-planet, of planet a while for it to "reset" )

I don't really know where else to make screenshots to show completion though, quest log is everything black and it doesn't fit on-screen and is in german so would be no help to you ,p

Edit: And yes, everyone apart from Zaed is loyal (and 0 people died on the final mission) which cost me 2 replays only (first time i lost Tali which was un-acceptable ,p)

Will it have the visual quality of the average theatrical release? Will it have equivalent staging and atmosphere? When I pay for the game, will I be given a rental of a high end machine with a multi-story monitor and matching surround sound? Will it have the depth, cohesion, and pacing of the theatrical release? Will it have the same emotional impact? Will I feel that I have experienced something profound or thrilling?

I could go on, but you get the point. Is game pricing based solely on length now?
If anything, your reply is typical of what's wrong with the industry.
Wondering what books and music would have to say...,
Ray

The only thing that annoys me about this is that again, there are Kasumi references in the standard game files so it's like they just cut her out. But to be fair to Bioware, that happens all the time in game development. It's just hard as a consumer to know who is doing it on purpose to make money and who just couldn't make that content work in time for launch.

One day ill learn to wait for the damn extended editions of games with all the DLC and patches on one disk. In about a years time ME2 goty/SE will come out with all the extras for $10 less then what I paid for the game on release.

So just so I understand you correctly, you are claiming you have done all loyalty missions, all N7 missions, all story missions and every possible sidequest in 28 hours?

That took me 52 hours on my first run on Veteran. I'm sorry but I am calling internet exaggeration on this one, you would've had to skip every single line of dialogue in the entire game and your combat sequences would've needed to run in fast forward

Was playing on Normal as Sniper... eh infiltrator ,p

Tis very much possible though because thats what the in-game clock next to the career says, unless it counts wrong.

Sorry but I'm a bit skeptical at your figures there. 100% completion on ME2 at 28 hours doesn't even seem remotely possible for a first run unless you're playing on Easy.

The game is 28 hours at 100% completion and yes, i played everything (ie 100%) nothing unexplored, no mission not done ;p and 20 (or less) at the second playthrough which is worth to do simply to see all the renegade options ;p

But this time was better spent than any movie...

So at rough 50 hours the value was plenty worth it, for me anyhow, if you bought this however and rushed through, not enjoying the scenes, the nightclubs, and the whole atmosphere then i pity thee.

And that said i replayed the game 3 times because the female shep was just too good to pass up ;p

Charlie_Six wrote on Mar 11, 2010, 21:14:
I assume the DLC will be $5. Usually game companies over-estimate how much time it takes to complete something, so it's probably one hour long, not 90 minutes. So $5 for an hour. Not a good deal to me since you can get the full game, used, for $30. And that's 20-25 hours of gameplay.

*shrug* But I'm sure ME fanboys will jump on it

I'm sorry your world ends over $5 but I piss that away on coffee every day. Many devs are still trying to find a balance with a DLC, it's still a very new revenue model for the industry and it will take time to get it right for consumers. Horse Armor buddy, we've come a long way.

wonkawonka wrote on Mar 12, 2010, 07:44:

Charlie_Six wrote on Mar 11, 2010, 21:14:
I assume the DLC will be $5. Usually game companies over-estimate how much time it takes to complete something, so it's probably one hour long, not 90 minutes. So $5 for an hour. Not a good deal to me since you can get the full game, used, for $30. And that's 20-25 hours of gameplay.

*shrug* But I'm sure ME fanboys will jump on it

Bull. The full game is only 20-25 hours if you rush through it. Do any of the extra missions and you get a whole boatload more hours, which are in no way "filler" hours. I challenge anyone to get ME2 and play it in 25 hours and not know with absolute certainty that there's a whole lot more they skipped just so that they could see the end cinematic.

Because I had very bad experiences in this aspect of the gme in the previous part (completed it after about 10 hours), I developed a phobia in ME2. I absolutely made sure that I get every sidemission and explore every planet. I completed the game in 45 hours that way. The sidemissions werent really good, because they were extremely short and straightforward, but to be fair, they were far better than the ones in the first part.

Charlie_Six wrote on Mar 11, 2010, 21:14:
I assume the DLC will be $5. Usually game companies over-estimate how much time it takes to complete something, so it's probably one hour long, not 90 minutes. So $5 for an hour. Not a good deal to me since you can get the full game, used, for $30. And that's 20-25 hours of gameplay.

*shrug* But I'm sure ME fanboys will jump on it

Bull. The full game is only 20-25 hours if you rush through it. Do any of the extra missions and you get a whole boatload more hours, which are in no way "filler" hours. I challenge anyone to get ME2 and play it in 25 hours and not know with absolute certainty that there's a whole lot more they skipped just so that they could see the end cinematic.

Of course they could just finish the game in the first place, you know at release.

Don't forget they sell you overpriced popcorn and force you to watch ads for that too..

I bet some people don't even go to the movies anymore. I wonder if they laugh their asses off at fools that sit watching forced commercials, buying overpriced, nutrition-less, taste engineered oils which burn free radical carbonized particles of cancer causing ooze into genetically modified organism corn, to rot in their intestines causing long term catastrophic illness.

Sure, at least they healthy sodas coke and pepsi but they also have chocolates which are Fair Trade.


The REASON games usually have a Long Term fan base is because of Coop and/or an editor to mod with, not shit content releases.

Why do gamers expect entertainment for a tenth of the price of every other form of enetrtainment?

Different mediums, different standards. An 800 page book will keep the reader busy for a lot more than 2 hours yet such books are usually cheaper than watching a movie at the theater.

If you pay $50 for a game that lasts you 40 hours, that's $1.25 per hour. If one DLC for the game lasts an hour and a half, the relative value is about $2. Everything is relative.

When you go to the movies, is it only $1.50 for a 90 minute movie?
Don't forget they sell you overpriced popcorn and force you to watch ads for that too.. and its a one-shot not to eb repeated deal at a time of their choosing too.

Why do gamers expect entertainment for a tenth of the price of every other form of enetrtainment?

Creston wrote on Mar 11, 2010, 21:23:
Hmm. So much for the rumors that Kasumi would be a party member, I guess?

Article says she's a party member... so I don't know what you mean.

ME2 was utter genius, I don't really care what DLC they release, I am buying it.

Well i am sure the mission will be feature rich, but i agree, thats not really the kind of DLC that has *any* pull. If its 1$ or 1.99$ then maybe (maybe), But if they go for 5$ or even 5€ (which is more like 8$) then this is a no sale.

New characters via DLC also have the problem that Kasumi won't be recuring in ME3.. so whats the point, really?

I'll be honest; planet scanning is why I quit playing this game before finishing it. I had enough desire to "do everything" before finishing the main quest, but not enough desire to scan all the planets to do it.

Hmm. So much for the rumors that Kasumi would be a party member, I guess?

Also, seriously Bioware? Paid DLC of an HOUR AND A HALF? It better cost 99 cents.

Creston