Sweet. It's awesome they made a demo. DL'ing tomorrow at work.

Creston

Gotta say, that's one of things I like about Steam. Just open it up, find the demo, click install and away it goes. I'll give this a go on the 360 too to see how it stacks up. It really sounds like an impressive demo, I just hope Avalanche have improved sufficiently on the first game. I got bored of it after a while because the game world was just too big and the missions seemed to make the game into one long endless grinding session (wow that sounds wrong). Even in GTA4 I started resorting to taxi's a lot of the time because I couldn't be arsed to drive clear accross the map. Hopefully there's some kind of quick travel option here to.

i know, i know, it's 2010 and everyone should have Win7 by now, but i have many critical programs that don't work with 7...upgrading for a single game is simply not feasible. (unless i do like a dual-boot, arh!)

it's a shame they decided not to support XP, even though there are still S*&T-TONS of XP gamers out there.

Pretty reasonable at 1.2gigs, looks cool and I have a DX11 card so why not?

but i have many critical programs that don't work with 7

Like what? I am simply curious.

PoopieMoopie wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 15:39:
i know, i know, it's 2010 and everyone should have Win7 by now, but i have many critical programs that don't work with 7...upgrading for a single game is simply not feasible. (unless i do like a dual-boot, arh!)

it's a shame they decided not to support XP, even though there are still S*&T-TONS of XP gamers out there.

What programs don't work in Win7? So far I've not run into a single problem. I even decided I wanted to play Age of Mythology again the other day, installed and runs without a problem, and it's going on ten years old.

As for a dual boot, it's pretty easy to set one up. (childs play, really.)

That said, I do agree that it makes no sense to upgrade for a single game, but I'd argue that Win7 is worth it solely for the security upgrade compared to XP.

Creston

I've found that ever since Windows 2000, each new version of Windows has fewer annoyances (than its immediate predecessor) to disable after the initial installation. So Windows 7 is worth the upgrade just for that, in my opinion. :p

But beyond that, there's the security improvements, decent 64-bit support, and the way it just feels modern compared to XP. All that for the slight drawback of a small loss of compatibility, which doesn't even affect many users.

So don't upgrade for a single game, upgrade because it's better than XP (except for the arguably minor compatibility factor).

i've got some simulation programs that i run from time to time (not for work, just hobby), BeyondTV (DVR) runs strangely; Sensiva, a mouse gesturing program that i use constantly; 'reget' plugin for Firefox also acts strangely in 7.

yes, most of'em are somewhat obscure and it's probably time to ditch'em at some point, but these programs are so specialized that there are no close substitutes.

i've already bought and tried W7-64bit already, but had to downgrade after finding out how many things it broke with my (heavily-customized) setup.

EDIT: oh yeah, my RAID0-SSD setup also fails with win7.

This comment was edited on Mar 4, 2010, 16:14.

gamma settings don't seem to have any effect in the game. It also looks like Nvidia has removed the ability to save specific graphics settings to specific games via the Nvidia control panel app.

Maybe I'm missing something here....

i've got some simulation programs that i run from time to time (not for work, just hobby), BeyondTV (DVR) runs strangely; Sensiva, a mouse gesturing program that i use constantly; 'reget' plugin for Firefox also acts strangely in 7.

yes, most of'em are somewhat obscure and it's probably time to ditch'em at some point, but these programs are so specialized that there are no close substitutes.

i've already bought and tried W7-64bit already, but had to downgrade after finding out how many things it broke with my (heavily-customized) setup.

Cool, I was just curious what kind of stuff people are using that prevented them upgrading. I know there's a few alternatives for some of the stuff you listed but you're probably comfortable with what you're using so fair enough

Don't upgrade for a single game. Upgrade for several which have DX10+ support, and in the near future many more.

It's bizarre to see the comments about Win 7. Six months ago me and a few others were saying exactly the same thing but about Vista but noooo, we didn't know what we were talking about. I don't remember / couldn't be arsed checking if it's any of the same people who criticised Vista who are now extolling the virtues of (the virtually identical) Win 7 but by the numbers I bet there's a significant overlap.

*sigh*

Quboid wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 16:13:
Don't upgrade for a single game. Upgrade for several which have DX10+ support, and in the near future many more.

It's bizarre to see the comments about Win 7. Six months ago me and a few others were saying exactly the same thing but about Vista but noooo, we didn't know what we were talking about. I don't remember / couldn't be arsed checking if it's any of the same people who criticised Vista who are now extolling the virtues of (the virtually identical) Win 7 but by the numbers I bet there's a significant overlap.

*sigh*

Yeah, you're a real martyr

Creston

I've found that ever since Windows 2000, each new version of Windows has fewer annoyances (than its immediate predecessor) to disable after the initial installation.

Really? I feel the exact opposite way. Vista and Windows 7 piled on all the worthless security checks.

"Do you want to run this file?"
"Are you really sure?"
"Okay, just double-checking... you want to delete this right?"
"Hah! Just kidding. I know you want to run the file, not delete it, but I'm going to ask you anyway when you do want to delete anything so might as well get it out of the way now."
"Sorry, you can't run or delete this because you don't have the correct administrator privileges."

Ironically it probably requires less clicks to disable the functionality you're complaining about. And people need them because they are mentally retarded and double click every stupid thing that pops up in their email, those checks aren't designed with users like us in mind.

Creston wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 16:16:
Yeah, you're a real martyr

Creston

Thank you, all I want is a bit of recognition. Yes, I know it was sarcasm.

PoopieMoopie - i've got some simulation programs that i run from time to time (not for work, just hobby), BeyondTV (DVR) runs strangely; Sensiva, a mouse gesturing program that i use constantly; 'reget' plugin for Firefox also acts strangely in 7.

yes, most of'em are somewhat obscure and it's probably time to ditch'em at some point, but these programs are so specialized that there are no close substitutes.

i've already bought and tried W7-64bit already, but had to downgrade after finding out how many things it broke with my (heavily-customized) setup.

Sounds like you need a gaming rig and a obscurity rig or dual boot. But it's not just one game that's going to push you to upgrade. They will stack up and if you want to play modern games, you're eventually gonna need to have a modern OS.

Jerykk wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 16:16:

I've found that ever since Windows 2000, each new version of Windows has fewer annoyances (than its immediate predecessor) to disable after the initial installation.

Really? I feel the exact opposite way. Vista and Windows 7 piled on all the worthless security checks.

"Do you want to run this file?"
"Are you really sure?"
"Okay, just double-checking... you want to delete this right?"
"Hah! Just kidding. I know you want to run the file, not delete it, but I'm going to ask you anyway when you do want to delete anything so might as well get it out of the way now."
"Sorry, you can't run or delete this because you don't have the correct administrator privileges."

It's not that bad in Win7, imo. In Vista it was a fucking nightmare, but they scaled it down in 7. Of course, it's far less secure now in 7, but eh.

Creston

C'mon folks! Let's talk about the game and not whether you want to upgrade to Win7 or not...

I found it to be loads of fun. I was running it on my Q9550@ 3.4GHz GTX 295 setup with all the settings maxed out and was having a blast. Ran smoothly at 1920x1200. What's available even in this demo was huuuuge and even though it's a 30min timed demo (suuuuuuucks!!!!) you can only get to a small fraction of it. Used a 360 controller as well.

If you like blowing stuff up (and who doesn't?), this game is for you.

Will this game require Games For Windows Live?

even though it's a 30min timed demo (suuuuuuucks!!!!)

Don't worry, it's not going to stay timed for long.

BobBob wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 16:33:
Will this game require Games For Windows Live?

The boxart (on amazon) shows "games for windows", not "... live", so probably not. Does it even have multiplayer? At least the demo doesn't.

By the way: The february steam survey lists 48.94% as DirectX10 systems.