On TF2 Cheaters

The Team Fortress 2 Blog has a post that recalls the recent TF 2 Soldier/Demoman war, noting the stats suggest some cheating may have taken place. They offer the stats and the following analysis:
Now, I have no actual proof that these men cheated. Lucky for me, then, that I am still in possession of basic common bloody sense. The top Soldier, for example, would have had to kill a Demoman every 2.5 seconds for a week straight, somehow circumventing respawn timers or the need to actually traverse across a map, without once pausing to sleep or go to the bathroom. In other words, he is either cheating, or he is a hallucinating sleep-deprived psychotic with severe constipation and unerringly good aim. In either event, I am confident he is ashamed of himself.
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If they can go back and see that someone actually sat around before "the war" spawning and killing soldiers or demomen and repeatedly killing them every 2.5 seconds for weeks and weeks non-stop.....then sure. They chose to play a certain way, not hurting anyone else. And Valve screwed up recording the stats from their server toward the war total stats.

However if this person did no such thing prior to "the war" and suddenly becomes a soldier/demoman killing fool night and day for a week or two. Then I'd say it's a safe bet that while technically he wasn't hacking, he was probably using something to make his gun autofire while he slept, made a map so he'd be next to an ammo box lined up with the enemy bots....and intentionally decided to score big on the scoreboards. In a spirit that was meant to cheat other's of top place and throw the numbers in the favor of one side or the other. He created, with intent, an environment where unless someone did the same thing he was...no one playing regularly could come close to his numbers because he had to have been playing damn near non-stop.

It's the same kind of cheating as people who bet on games concerning their own team, you can't be sure they didn't intentionally screw with the games so they'd win some cash/prizes. (miss a chance to score, intentionally hurt an opposing player, etc)

Was he hacking? Maybe not. Was he undoubtedly and intentionally cheating? Yes. Did he screw up the game to any degree for other players? Yes, Valve used these stats in a game decision. Does he deserve punishment? It depends on whether or not the guy did it intentionally for "the war" or just likes killing things non-stop no matter what. Common sense is telling me yeah he did this intentionally, because who wants the computer to auto-fire while they sleep for really no gain but a bigger score for that one class?


Armengar wrote on Feb 1, 2010, 07:06:
just throwing something into the ring here.

But it isnt cheating. They arent using external program, probably spawning bots then retrying then killing them. Not cheating now is it? Dishonesty yes but not cheating in the same way aimbots are.

Perhaps if valve fixed their own issues such as not letting bots add to stats then this would solve a whole host of issues. Personally I am against stat padding and idling etc etc but I would rather valve fix other bugs in TF2 than worry about stat padders.
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