Problem is server package is not gonna be available to public nor will there be mods allowed so chances of more server variety to please PC crowd will not be there, and their so called hardcore mode is gonna be limited, now if they allowed some freedom in people making small server mods there woulbe potential to really narrow down some cool mods.

But I am not a fan of unloading half a clip into an enemy in a modern warfare setting nor circle strafing and spamming fire. Leave that shit to games like Quake. It doesn't belong in this type of game and is ridiculous. Parts of the video show just how many hits it takes to kill someone.

For hardcore PC FPS'ers it will have hardcore mode, duh. There are a handful of servers with it on. They'll have hardcore in the server name, but only some of those actually have it on because the admins turn it on but when the server resets it goes back to normal.

The game has huge potential.. It's not perfect, no.

The graphics and sound look and sound great. I like the destructable terrain. But I am not a fan of unloading half a clip into an enemy in a modern warfare setting nor circle strafing and spamming fire. Leave that shit to games like Quake. It doesn't belong in this type of game and is ridiculous. Parts of the video show just how many hits it takes to kill someone. If you see him first he should be dead first if all other things are equal. That's the rule that games like this should go by. And if that seems like a frustrating "die too quick" game then I can tell you that if you add appropriate recoil, that problem goes away. But realistic recoil with a analog controller for a console first person shooter is an anathema.

That video convinced me with some other information I have read, means Battlefield Bad Company 2 is a no go for me.

This comment was edited on Jan 31, 2010, 15:44.

And your player gives his position away to near-by enemy when they automatically mouth off too. Not good.

You know....I played for a bit again last night with some friends on the PC - and the pings are better, the gameplay is fun, and if some things get fixed, it could still be fun.

My biggest gripe to be honest with you - does the game need to drop F bombs every 10 seconds? Is that really necessary? I understand the type of game it is, but it just doesn't appear to be necessary in the amount othat it does it - we get enough of the cussingn spam from kiddies and immature brats that join the game - I am not really sure why they feel the need to increase the BS.

Still on the fence.....

/edit: I say put it and leave it in SP, take that out of the MP please.

This comment was edited on Jan 31, 2010, 10:08.

I've seen DICE implement community feedback into BF2 and BF2142 patches.

There are still COUNTLESS BF2 bugs that will never get fixed. They drop that game like a whore with the clap.

of course its more of the same, its a MP FPS game - that is supposed to be some sort of damning realization? the whole point of these games is to run around and shoot people, and basically thats the gist of it

the question isnt whether or not this game achieves or does not achieve whatever goal you imagine them to be seeking

rather, the question is whether or not its a competent and fun FPS - and that doesnt require reinventing the wheel

LittleMe wrote on Jan 30, 2010, 21:43:
I think that's the game's strength is that they made player movement more realistic and that you can't spin on a dime and aim a heavy weapon with exact precision.

You must have been playing a different game from me. I saw a lot of hopping and bouncing.

I have played DICE games since BF1942. They are all pretty much the same. This game is an attempt to bridge the gap between MW2 and BF2. It fails. Aside from DICE lying to the PC community (re: prone and dedicated servers), the game is just more of the same. As the police say "move along, there is nothing to see here."

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That said I have never played in a beta where a dev has ever listened to gameplay specific feedback. Bugs yes... gameplay no.

Look at what DICE did with the BF2 1.5 patch. They didn't just fix bugs and exploits, they added some features like >2GB RAM support and improved Vista comparability. We'll see what happens this time.

Open beta = pretty much the final game. I don't think I've ever seen an open beta where its feedback was implemented in the final game.

Yeah, because PC games are never patched, especially on release day.

That said I have never played in a beta where a dev has ever listened to gameplay specific feedback. Bugs yes... gameplay no.

Open beta = pretty much the final game. I don't think I've ever seen an open beta where its feedback was implemented in the final game.

I've seen DICE implement community feedback into BF2 and BF2142 patches.

One map. The beta has one map and one gameplay mode and it has no single player. True though that the game has to be going gold in the next week or two because it takes ~30 days to press the discs and ship to stores. So you might be right as far as how finalized it is.

So it's possible that DICE is using the current beta to squash critical show-stopping bugs, or maybe they are delaying PC release (which I think is needed). But in the last patch they did fix a more minor issue with the 'enter map' button, which was not critical but an annoyance.

I just looked at the recent screenshots and indeed the player models show them wearing body armour. Sorry, you probably can't kill seven people with one clip of ammo unless you can head shot seven times in a row.

This comment was edited on Jan 31, 2010, 00:58.

I think that you guys are being a little hard or judgmental, jumping to conclusions before the final game is even here.

Open beta = pretty much the final game. I don't think I've ever seen an open beta where its feedback was implemented in the final game.

I'm gonna wait till release day so I actually get the media, you all have fun with the beta. I don't think waiting till BF3 will make me any happier with the Battlefield series overall. How would that possibly be less of a console port than this one?

The control didn't feel all that great

Are you saying that it should react instantly and let you bounce around the map like a rubber ball, aka Quake3? I think that's the game's strength is that they made player movement more realistic and that you can't spin on a dime and aim a heavy weapon with exact precision. Also you guys hark on taking a full clip for a kill but maybe they are wearing body armor which is reasonable. I think DICE will probably increase bullet damage because of all the negative feedback so that's not that much of a problem.. Instead of nit picking and trying to find faults, look at the bigger game.

I think that you guys are being a little hard or judgmental, jumping to conclusions before the final game is even here.

Sure, the game has some influences from MW/MW2 but to me it's more Battlefield than MW2. Also it takes some ideas from Crysis with the jungle theme and destructible scenery. Why aren't you guys harking on it's Crysis influences? While Crysis is a failure for MP, it had some great ideas, just mediocre execution (low performance, hax, bugs).

clickbouyow wrote on Jan 30, 2010, 20:58:
After playing the game for a full day I will have to pass. It has mediocre graphics, the game play is pure run and gun, no lean, no prone, and now no mod tools. Sorry DICE, but I'll pass on this one.

I have to agree here. The control didn't feel all that great, the gameplay was mediocre, the gap in gun power is huge, and in general it just wasn't very good.

I know a lot of people are looking for anything to grasp onto after MW2 screwed over the PC. This just isn't it.

After playing the game for a full day I will have to pass. It has mediocre graphics, the game play is pure run and gun, no lean, no prone, and now no mod tools. Sorry DICE, but I'll pass on this one.

Anyone else sick of these modern warfare type of games? Just like when it was all WW2 games getting pushed out. Now it's these modern warfare games. Yawn. Not to mention this was doesn't even look that good considering it reminds me exactly of Battlefield 2 with some updated graphics. Hell even the body physics look exactly the same. Sorry, maybe I'm just tired of the FPS genre and hearing explosions everywhere for the ambiance sound. Starcraft 2 can't come soon enough...

re: the weapons- I don't think I've ever played a game by DICE where the weapons were balanced any differently than they are here. As you level up you get different weapons....some might be more effective with your type of playing, others won't be. I can tell you the first level weapons in BC1 sucked as well. Just concentrate on taking the objectives rather than on your body count....oh, and DO NOT play lone-wolf. it'll take you longer to level plus you can spawn on teammates in the field. You'll enjoy the game a lot more that way.

I'm just glad PC gamers are finally learning to appreciate console-standard networking and graphics. Glad you guys finally came around.

^ There are many levels of depth to that reply.

Personally I do think learning to enjoy games for what they are is great, but I'm kind of surprised PC gamers aren't more disappointed with BFBC2 so far.