Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds

Games On Net reports that the appeal of the refusal of classification for Left 4 Dead 2 in Australia has been refused, so the uncut version of the game will not be for sale down under, where the censored version will be the only edition sold. Word is:
In the Review Board’s opinion, Left 4 Dead 2 could not be accommodated within the MA 15+ classification. The computer game contains a level of violence which is high in impact, prolonged, repeated frequently and realistic within the context of the game.

In addition, it was the Review Board’s opinion that there was insufficient delineation between the depiction of general zombie figures and the human figures, as opposed to the clearly fictional ‘infected’ characters. This was a major consideration of the Review Board in determining the impact of this game on minors.

Computer games classified RC cannot be sold, hired, advertised or demonstrated in Australia.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 23, 2009, 09:02
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 23, 2009, 09:02
Oct 23, 2009, 09:02
 
Fuck this place. An R18 rating would protect the fucking children of fucking Australia by making it a criminal offence to make such material available to minors. Exposing awesome violent video games to kids should be seen as bad as exposing them to pornography, and stopping adults from playing these games as they were designed should be considered as bad as stopping them from watching pornography. But the prudish protestant asswipes which seem to have the money and contacts to become governor general in this country (it's not an elected position) don't like either. This is just the start let me tell you people!

Fuck the Westminster system, bring on the USA style clusterfuck system, that is broken in every way except it's propensity to protect FREEDOM!
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Oct 22, 2009, 17:43
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 17:43
Oct 22, 2009, 17:43
 
What is your perspective of foreigners trying to influence your government? Maybe you don't mind if their goals happen to align with your own, but generally?

Valve should respect the Prime Directive! I - wait, wrong genre.
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Oct 22, 2009, 16:02
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 16:02
Oct 22, 2009, 16:02
 
Could do they import the US boxed version?

I know when I used to live in Germany I would import all the time, bypassing any control the goverment had over content.

It connects to Steam, Steam verifies your files and adjusts them accordingly.

The only way I see playing the uncut version in AU is using a hack to cut Steam out of the process, which likely means singleplayer only or some kind of LAN hack with a limited player base and no DLC.

I'm not a big hack guy though, so I could be wrong.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 15:32
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 15:32
Oct 22, 2009, 15:32
 
Responsibility for holding Australian censorship to account rests with Australians.

Agreed. But here is a protip: The cat is already out of the bag.
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Oct 22, 2009, 15:30
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 15:30
Oct 22, 2009, 15:30
 
Do they think this is going to deter kids from playing the game??? hahaha. This will only encourage it. The little buggers will always find a way.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 14:37
DG
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 14:37
Oct 22, 2009, 14:37
DG
 
I don't really think its the kind of ethical situation where a foreign company should be viewed negatively for bowing to lawful censorship of a democratic country. Arguably Valve has no place trying to influence the Au censorship beyond their commercial considerations. What is your perspective of foreigners trying to influence your government? Maybe you don't mind if their goals happen to align with your own, but generally?

Responsibility for holding Australian censorship to account rests with Australians.

This comment was edited on Oct 22, 2009, 14:39.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 14:16
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 14:16
Oct 22, 2009, 14:16
 
Could do they import the US boxed version?

I know when I used to live in Germany I would import all the time, bypassing any control the goverment had over content.
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Oct 22, 2009, 12:53
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 12:53
Oct 22, 2009, 12:53
 
StingingVelvet-

You do have a point there. Because of steam AU's have no way around the censorship on PC.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 12:44
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 12:44
Oct 22, 2009, 12:44
 
The really crappy thing here is that with Steam, there might be a problem modding the game to normal. Steam verifies files and such, meaning depending on how Valve views their legal requirements, they might force the censored version on everyone.

360 gamers meanwhile can just import.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 11:46
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 11:46
Oct 22, 2009, 11:46
 
Trying to explain the appeal of something which holds no appeal to someone else by their own admission seems to me to be the dictionary definition of "exercise in futility."
Or the act of a troll.
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Oct 22, 2009, 11:05
Prez
 
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 11:05
Oct 22, 2009, 11:05
 Prez
 
What is the appeal of this game? I've seen a few videos of it and it is just mindless running around unimpressive looking environments blowing up zombies. I'd get bored after 2 minutes of playing this.

Trying to explain the appeal of something which holds no appeal to someone else by their own admission seems to me to be the dictionary definition of "exercise in futility."
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 11:00
Jim
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Oct 22, 2009, 11:00
Jim
 
What is the appeal of this game? I've seen a few videos of it and it is just mindless running around unimpressive looking environments blowing up zombies. I'd get bored after 2 minutes of playing this.

Jim
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 10:54
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 10:54
Oct 22, 2009, 10:54
 
I would have respected Valve more if they went: "Don't like it the way it is? Fine, you don't get it."

Oh I see. Yeah that's what I would have liked to see them do. I guess the censor doesn't give a damn if the game doesn't make it on the shelves but the consumer certainly would. Not sure if the AU political system is very responsive though. I presume it isn't.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 10:49
Prez
 
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Oct 22, 2009, 10:49
 Prez
 
Disappointing news.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 10:44
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 10:44
Oct 22, 2009, 10:44
 
I admire Valve for not submitting a censored version.
They DID submit a censored one. They did so before the appeal on the un-censored version came back (today).

I would have respected Valve more if they went: "Don't like it the way it is? Fine, you don't get it."
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 10:41
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 10:41
Oct 22, 2009, 10:41
 
Necrosis I'm not sure Valve and other publisher/developers want to do that. If the censor has control then the developer must submit. Better to let the ban stick and let the Aussie political/bureaucratic system adjust and/or stop banning games all together. I admire Valve for not submitting a censored version.

It's a power struggle. Who should have control of games? Valve is asserting their place. Good for them.

This comment was edited on Oct 22, 2009, 10:42.
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds
Oct 22, 2009, 10:27
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 10:27
Oct 22, 2009, 10:27
 
Big fucking shock.

Valve should have never submitted a censored version of the game before the appeal was done and over with. Once they approved the censored version what need would they have to go back on a previous ruling on the un-censored one and get all the flack for it.

If they went back on the un-censored one every single game sent to AU for approval would run for an appeal and raise shit about it if they were turned down a second time.

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There was not enough of a difference between the zombies (TRYING TO EAT YOU) and the survivors (CARRYING BIG NASTY GUNS SHOOTING SHIT)? Just wow.

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Oct 22, 2009, 10:18
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Re: Uncut Left 4 Dead 2 Aus Ban Holds Oct 22, 2009, 10:18
Oct 22, 2009, 10:18
 
"In addition, it was the Review Board’s opinion that there was insufficient delineation between the depiction of general zombie figures and the human figures, as opposed to the clearly fictional ‘infected’ characters. This was a major consideration of the Review Board in determining the impact of this game on minors."

Wow. The children of Australia already have no chance if the people making the laws are this delusional.

t's a fictional !!king monster. Insufficient delineation?
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