But it just doesn't play well... at all. Sure it's got potential but it never comes off. Animations are horrendous, movement is horrible, the interface is clumsy, the gameplay is ropey, etc.

Did you like the original OFP? If not, I can see where you're coming from. OFP and ArmA are acquired tastes, much like Gothic and Risen. They aren't the most polished games and they do have some awkward controls or presentation issues but many people can look past these and appreciate the deep and engrossing gameplay within.

It's funny how people are clueless.

Yes, it is funny how clueless people would buy a product from a company that abandoned its last game. They left it bug ridden and unfinished. Good luck with getting patches on Arma 2. Enjoy the 3 year beta test.

ArmA2 has damn-near everything a military game should have. Other developers should at least come close to those options if they're to be taken seriously by us.

But it just doesn't play well... at all. Sure it's got potential but it never comes off. Animations are horrendous, movement is horrible, the interface is clumsy, the gameplay is ropey, etc.

I will concede the engine needs more optimization.

People complain about performance but that's actually not one of the issues I've had, even running it at 1920x1200. Sure it could be better but I've played a lot worse.

Dr. D. Schreber and theyarecomingforyou, you should play ARMA2 on the SPARTA server or with Charlie Fxotrot. Teamspeak essential.

Using Teamspeak does nothing to address the issues with the gameplay mechanics.

I'm really trying to get into ArmA II, as I'm a huge fan of tactical shooters, but it's just not doing it for me - OFP:DR looks to be a better game. It's a bit pricey on Steam and with all the bugs and issues it's not worth paying full price for but I'll certainly pick it up on sale or wait for a demo. Sure it's not quite as "deep" but it looks more fun.

Dr. D. Schreber and theyarecomingforyou, you should play ARMA2 on the SPARTA server or with Charlie Fxotrot. Teamspeak essential.

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ArmA2 has damn-near everything a military game should have. Other developers should at least come close to those options if they're to be taken seriously by us.

I will concede the engine needs more optimization. If the CryEngine 3 with its 'Infinite Streaming Worlds' will support a co-op feature, I will personally jump onboard a modding team to bring an ArmA-like mod to light.

If you have played this game, you fully UNDERSTAND that Dragon Rising does NOT compete with ARMA2.

It's weird how people talk as if ArmA II is actually a good game.

I'd say that Dragon Rising is the GT to ARMA's Forza.

edit: though maybe it is more like GRID at times...

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If you have played this game, you fully UNDERSTAND that Dragon Rising does NOT compete with ARMA2. It is an arcade shooter that has been hamstrung by console limitations. It is closer to Call of Doody than a real milsim.

Still, I would like to see it evolve beyond its limited console roots. So MOD SUPPORT is essential!

The original let you run over everything pretty much, even trees if I remember rightly. Caused nice vertical flat bush textures to turn into nice horizontal flat bush textures. Cowering in the dark whilst a BMP tries to run you over, screaming into your mike for someone to volunteer to run over to the RPG launcher left in the middle of the road by a recently deceased squadie who is now a seagul, THAT is wargaming!

Nice move dropping important features found in the 2001 edition of a franchise, Codebastards!

are they going to fix the awful physics with vehicles(tanks trippin on small rocks going at high speed and rolling mid air?) lol.

Also, this maybe beyond patch but for the love of god allow for trees and small brushes to be driven over especially by tanks... getting stuck on stuff like that with those huge tanks feels like a game that came out in 2000 not 2009...

Not sure what you mean but no dedicated server, no joining games in progress, no anti-cheat and apparently no mod support are bad business decisions. The customer is right.

Except there aren't enough customers for the PC versions of games for it to matter. These are good business descisions because whether you like how they're treating PC gaming or not, they make money. On the platforms with a much, much larger number of potential and actual sales (the consoles) this is good strategy; they're not, and from a business standpoint should not be, concerned with how a much dmaller demographic feels about it; PC gamers will either buy into it and add a little to their bottom line, or not and they'll continue to view the platform as, at best, hard to make money on or at worst, untenable because it's not worth the effort of a more consumer-friendly business model.

I never said it's good business for the consumer, just good business. The videogames industry and members thereof are hardly the only for-profit business that view the outside world around them like this.

Not without it's own problems, that game is ArmA 2, not MW2.

When one of ArmA 2's problems isn't being so much of a simulation that I don't have much fun with it, I'll care about it.

Can you turn off the Microsoft Sam squaddie chatter yet? I'd probably enjoy it a lot more if I didn't have to listen to that, at least enough to spend money the next time it's on sale at at least half-price somewhere.

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Lean is also needed.

This.

I fully understand that obviously DLC is something that these companies are making money with, obviously the concept took or they wouldn't have continued it. I'm not paranoid, but the fact remains
that DLC is a concept that had it's hard roots on consoles. PC Games for the most part had, if anything expansion packs. (Ignoring the quality vs. price of these expansions).

Now, just because something is good buisness dosen't mean it's good for us as customers. And honestly, the concept probably took better on current generation consoles because people there didn't know any better, or ever had the option of getting custom mods etc. from 3rd parties.

It's something we all will have to live with, if we like it or not.

This comment was edited on Oct 22, 2009, 02:06.

Not sure what you mean but no dedicated server, no joining games in progress, no anti-cheat and apparently no mod support are bad business decisions.

and probably the biggest goof, not protecting multiplayer with a basic cd-key system.

It's funny how the Modern Warfare 2 hullabaloo has suddenly spawned new stock conspiracy theories to apply everywhere. No mod support? They're going to push ten sets of overpriced DLC on us, obviously! No dedicated server? It's forced consolization, not just a terrible decision!

It's funny how people are clueless. Dragon Rising is "competing" against another game that has great modding support, a dedicated server and no DLC carrots. Not without it's own problems, that game is ArmA 2, not MW2.

This comment was edited on Oct 22, 2009, 01:01.

Not that I necessarily think it's untrue, It just still surprises me that no-one sees good business decisions coming a mile away regardless of how the end-user will feel.

Not sure what you mean but no dedicated server, no joining games in progress, no anti-cheat and apparently no mod support are bad business decisions. The customer is right.

I think people would still be saying the same thing about this game even if MW2 didn't exist. I don't think the two things are related at all.

I can't believe they didn't make this game modable for the PC.

It's funny how the Modern Warfare 2 hullabaloo has suddenly spawned new stock conspiracy theories to apply everywhere. No mod support? They're going to push ten sets of overpriced DLC on us, obviously! No dedicated server? It's forced consolization, not just a terrible decision!

Not that I necessarily think it's untrue, It just still surprises me that no-one sees good business decisions coming a mile away regardless of how the end-user will feel.

(PS: Codemasters, I can has dediserver in patch plz? I'll give you a cookie...)

I doubt mod support is something they want, it cuts into the dlc buisness