They better hope that they've figured out how Microsoft pulled off the miracle of a working Xbox Live when any non-dedicated PC servers trying to pull that shit would be laggy as hell.

I'm serious. Check your facts: Xbox Live should have failed based upon our previous experiences.

Also, keep in mind that some companies just won't trust their CONSOLE cash cow to communism-based lag-potential non-dedicated player-based servers (Battlefield: Modern Combat anyone?).

This comment was edited on Oct 26, 2009, 07:21.

I think this entire thing is based around an important thing that is often overlooked. Piracy. Seems to me it will be pretty effective in that regard. And good riddance too.

I don't think IW or lack-o-vision is trying to make it a BAD experience for PC players. They are a corporation and they want their money. SURPRISE!

I think PC players just need to quit acting so entitled to some exclusive treatment. I'm a PC player I haven't owned a console since SNES. Too many people are just jumping on the haters bandwagon. Its likely not going to be as bad as many people feel it is. In fact I suspect it will be better than expected and people will give up their boycott once they realize they haven't been shortsighted as bad as they thought. I could be wrong but I'll be the fool when it turns out that its just terrible and torturous

I for one am excited to party up with my friends and easily get into a match. Gaming is going mainstream. PC gaming is going mainstream. Change happens. I bought my copy, and I'm going to enjoy it while boycotters sit around wondering if they would too.

It's vEMO not Verno

i thought it was VERNO too. that rn looks a lot like m because of the font they use on this website.

John Gibson from Tripwire posted this in Valves HLDS mailing list in response to comments regarding no dedicated server for MW2.

On 24 Oct 2009, at 17:45, John Gibson <john@tripwireinteractive.com> wrote:

Well we'll be happy to take IW's PC COD fans off thier hands when RO: Heroes of Stalingrad ships next year We will ship our game with a dedicated server, server browser, mod SDK, and all of the features PC gamers have come to expect from a AAA FPS.
So I would suggest that rather than petition IW to change thier minds about giving thier PC games proper support, throw your support behind games from companies giving PC games proper support and features. This doesn't just mean TWI's games (although we certainly wouldn't mind that) but there are many companies still doing right by the PC for FPS games such as Valve, Epic, or Crytek.

That's my 2 cents.

John

So, what about those promise that the Left 4 Dead 2 boycott got made for us? Well?

Your bullshit runnth over.

It's vEMO not Verno, you just wish you have the pain, it's the only feeling you get.

Your hissy fit(s) over a computer game(s) is amazing - if you don't like what they are doing, don't buy it, telling others what they should do is lame.

I'm telling you to go and play a game that you enjoy - DO IT NOW!

Hi my name is Kosumo, I have nothing to contribute and exist solely to troll other users as my post history exhibits.

You just told him what to do after telling him that he shouldnt do that you idiot. Trolling verno is fun im sure but maybe we could get back to Infinity Ward screwing us.

So, what about those promise that the Left 4 Dead 2 boycott got made for us? Well?

Your bullshit runnth over.

It's vEMO not Verno, you just wish you have the pain, it's the only feeling you get.

Your hissy fit(s) over a computer game(s) is amazing - if you don't like what they are doing, don't buy it, telling others what they should do is lame.

I'm telling you to go and play a game that you enjoy - DO IT NOW!

So I'm simply not going to get into another argument or discussion with you when you can't even remember what you said or quote yourself correctly. Just because you may have said it in another post, which you edited after initially posting to actually say that

That was in my followup reply which was in response to another user and you. All I edited was spelling. You have no problem reading replies from any other user on the boards and take them into context. You have no problem making followup replies yourself that clarify your positions. You were the one wanting an explanation, I'm trying to be patient and provide it.

Please stop trying to personalize the discussion and focus on the content, it's more important than our forum history. This could have serious ramifications for the platform. I am not interested in arguing with you. I am interested in talking about how to combat this and debate that derives therein.

Alright then Dagok, I'll try to sum up my thoughts and be more clear. If you're going to boycott, boycott. Don't do it half assed but if you absolutely must break down and buy it, do it on Steam where a big chunk goes to another company. Here's why:

Gamestop orders X copies of MW2 for the PC. People boycott for awhile and they do not sell. Gamestop marks down the price, they sell. Gamestop ordered them at Y price, sold them at Z. Gamestop is not happy with this but ultimately it will have little effect on Activision who might mark down the price in the future to appease the retailer. Accomplishes nothing, hurts the retailers other than Gamestop too assuming people buy copies at other stores who are forced to price match and the end user who was unhappy about the MW2 situation is still unhappy. IW celebrates either way.

If you purchase the title at Steam, the retailer's copies sit there assuming others follow your lead. This makes Gamestop very unhappy, Gamestop bitches to Activision who is forced to address the issue in some shape or form. We have no control over how they do so, that's out of the context of this discussion. They could cancel all PC versions or patch back in dedicated servers or whatever, we all have no idea. Steam takes a decent chunk of the profit. Half-assed boycotter gets his copy, doesn't get his gratification but at least has made some form of statement.

Maybe Activision gets the wrong impression and starts doing digital themselves, maybe not. There's a lot of what if's but its a complicated situation. Obviously the best solution is for a lot of people to just simply not purchase the title at all and convince as many other people as they can to do the same. Unfortunately we live in a world of half-measures so if it's going to be bought, at least buy it where it hurts them more so -something- gets accomplished. Both situations hurt retailers, one less than the other.

It's a shitty situation any way you look at it. Maybe Activision decides PC gaming isn't worth it at all. If so we'll evolve without Call of Duty, it's not a death knell by any means. Ideally people want a compromise because it is a desired title for the platform. The best way to speak is with your wallet, the one true form of consumerism. That failing, at least make some sort of effort to make them recognize you're unhappy as a consumer.

Finally, Call of Duty titles don't really bargain bin in the first place thankfully which makes much of this discussion moot.

If you actually read my reply...you'll see said I said "if you care about retailers".

Sigh, see below the quote of your first post. You do not say "if you care about the retailers" anywhere. So I'm simply not going to get into another argument or discussion with you when you can't even remember what you said or quote yourself correctly. Just because you may have said it in another post, which you edited after initially posting to actually say that, does not somehow change your first post which is what was in question.

Don't do that unless it's digital. This irritates me a bit. I can't stop you but the retailer paid full price for that copy, they don't get to return it to Activision. It's a sale either way for Activision once you purchase it, even if the retailer is selling it $5.00. They will count that purchase towards their "OUR GAME SOLD 100000000 COPIES" figures and further the assumption that they can just ignore pc gaming.

There are tons of other great games this year anyways, their hubris is astounding.

How is that our problem if the retailer chooses to discount the products they are selling?

If you actually read my reply to your glib "LOL", you'll see said I said "if you care about retailers". They choose to discount it because some loss is better than a lot, I would think that's common sense. Encouraging people to simply wait for bargain bin instead of boycotting has the opposite effect that's intended while also harming the retailer. It is not a difficult concept to understand.

That's like asking people to never buy anything on sale, because "you are dinging the retailer".

No it's not, read above. If you're going to boycott, do it all the way or don't bother. The publisher has already been compensated.

Furthermore you are suggesting to get it digital, which cuts the retailer out entirely after just arguing how buying something on sale hurts the retailer...WTF?

Again, please actually read my comments before rushing to judgment just because you have a bone to pick. It's pretty easy to follow if you stop focusing on "how can I yell at Verno?" and instead think of what's in context. If the retailer doesn't sell it's copies, it will hopefully be forced at some point to order less copies. Given the ratio of digital sales to retail still being disparate, this is something that can have an effect on Activision more directly than petitions or other things they can ignore. It's easy to ignore customers, it's harder to ignore vendors and distributors.

Yes it still has a harmful effect on the retailer though, that is true. I'd much rather get a point across if I absolutely have to do that as opposed to a halfhearted boycott attempt that ends up with the same bottom line for Activision who will just lower pricing a bit to assuage retailers pissed off about the BB prices.

I'll never understand how your brain rationalizes anything Verno.

Look, stop trying to personalize the discussion, it's been a mature topic so far and I think most of us like it that way. If you want to pick another fight, choose someone else.

This comment was edited on Oct 21, 2009, 12:35.

If you buy bargain bin digital you aren't dinging the retailer

How is that our problem if the retailer chooses to discount the products they are selling? That's like asking people to never buy anything on sale, because "you are dinging the retailer". Furthermore you are suggesting to get it digital, which cuts the retailer out entirely after just arguing how buying something on sale hurts the retailer...WTF?

I'll never understand how your brain rationalizes anything Verno.

If you buy bargain bin digital you aren't dinging the retailer who paid more than than the bargain bin on his volume orders because digital has no physical quantity. With digital orders they will still count it towards sales but at least you aren't harming a third party (unless its Gamestop in which case go crazy). If you don't care about retailers then whatever but keep in mind they're not all Bestbuy and Toys R Us. LOL at your LOL btw.

The flipside is that maybe retailers would bitch to Activision but Activision cares less about retailers than any of us do as long as their titles get stocked (and they will no matter what).

This comment was edited on Oct 21, 2009, 12:12.

I don't follow, why don't you think they will count the digitally sold copies as well?

LOL, no doubt, I'd like to hear the explanation on that one too.

"Don't do that unless it's digital."

I don't follow, why don't you think they will count the digitally sold copies as well? They may not announce the sales figures publicly of digital but it's still equally counts as an Activision sale to them.

Ahwell another game for the bargin basement bin!

Don't do that unless it's digital. This irritates me a bit. I can't stop you but the retailer paid full price for that copy, they don't get to return it to Activision. It's a sale either way for Activision once you purchase it, even if the retailer is selling it $5.00. They will count that purchase towards their "OUR GAME SOLD 100000000 COPIES" figures and further the assumption that they can just ignore pc gaming.

There are tons of other great games this year anyways, their hubris is astounding.

http://forum.thesilverdagger.co.uk/index.php/topic,22.0.html

Ahwell another game for the bargin basement bin!

This comment was edited on Oct 21, 2009, 04:01.

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This comment was edited on Oct 20, 2009, 15:35.

So you can't turn it down one difficulty level if you think it's cheap? You seem to want to punish yourself in games, then you complain that they made it too hard...and somehow medkits rather than regening health will make it all better.

There's a good kind of challenge and then there's the cheap kind of challenge. A good kind of challenge is the kind you find in games like R6, OFP, Tribes, etc. These are games that are difficult but not because they completely stack the odds against you. Conversely, games with regenerating health tend to resort to cheap, contrived ways of adding difficulty (respawning enemies, enemies with 100% accuracy, etc).

For Multiplayer games, taking down a target with regening health actually requires more skill as more often than not they will have full health, therefore you need to be sure to make your shots count.

Killing is only half the battle. Surviving is the other and if you have finite health, surviving requires a lot more skill than with regenerating health. In addition, the concept of stealing kills still applies in games with health regen. Wait until an opponent's health has been wittled down by someone else then swoop in for the kill. It's no different than stealing a kill in a game with finite health.