Steam Hardware Survey Results

The August 2009 Steam Hardware Survey Results are now online with the latest data collected from Steam customers (thanks Ant). Here are some of the most popular results in several categories of interest:
Windows Version: Windows XP 32 bit - 53.48%
System RAM: 2 GB - 33.03%
Processor Vendor: Genuine Intel - 67.99%
Intel CPU Speeds: 2.3 Ghz to 2.69 Ghz - 24.18%
AMD CPU Speeds: 2.0 Ghz to 2.29 Ghz - 10.91%
Physical CPUs: 2 cpus - 56.46%
Multi-GPU Systems: NVIDIA SLI (2 GPUs) - 2.04%
VRAM: 512 MB - 38.56%
Primary Display Resolution: 1280 x 1024 - 21.26%
Multi-Monitor Desktop Resolution: 2960 x 1050 - 14.40%
Audio Devices: Realtek HD Audio output - 20.17%
Language: English - 59.74%
Network Speed: 2,048.0 Kbps - 32.70%
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 7, 2009, 13:16
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 7, 2009, 13:16
Sep 7, 2009, 13:16
 
No. LCDs are more convenient. That's about the only advantage they have.

They use less power, they weigh less, they put out far less heat. LCD's have very advanced refinement controls nowadays for brightness and color reproduction. They also have the benefit of modern inputs like HDMI, DVI, DisplayPort and some even have component inputs. LCD's are incredibly flexible, you can use it as a television or display for your PC and consoles. You can wall mount an LCD or have multiple monitors on a mount very easily. Many LCDs possess quite competent scalers by the way.

It's not even a question of what is the "better" technology anymore. CRTs and LCDs each have their advantages and weaknesses already listed endlessly throughout the thread. CRTs are dead, kaput. It costs a fortune to ship them and no one even makes them anymore that I'm aware of. A user wanting to purchase a monitor for his computer doesn't really have a choice, he can't find a CRT anywhere but ebay and very few users are going to buy a monitor with no warranty support that costs $100+ to ship.

People can hold out as long as they want but CRTs aren't coming back. I guess maybe you hope that consumer OLED arrives before yours craps out but I figure that's another three years out at the minimum. Good luck I guess.

This comment was edited on Sep 7, 2009, 13:33.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 6, 2009, 13:41
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 6, 2009, 13:41
Sep 6, 2009, 13:41
 
I'll keep my 19" Dell Trinitron CRT until it dies. The black levels are the real issue for me. I remember watching the 24 DVDs on my LCD a few years back - you couldn't tell what was happening in dark scenes because the black levels couldn't handle it. Not an issue on the CRT.

I have an LCD, too, though. I just use two monitors. The CRT is my main one, and the one I game on, the LCD is the auxillary, and works well for certain purposes.

When I build my next system I'll probably buy a third monitor, a 24" LCD. And just run three monitors, keeping the CRT for most gaming. It'd be ugly mismatched, though, so maybe 2 24"s and replace the old LCD...
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 5, 2009, 23:09
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 5, 2009, 23:09
Sep 5, 2009, 23:09
 
There is no such thing as a good CRT anymore, not with how far LCD monitors have come along.

Brilliant logic there. So even though CRTs have better contrast, refresh rates and no shitty resolution scaling, LCDs are better? No. LCDs are more convenient. That's about the only advantage they have.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 5, 2009, 21:14
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 5, 2009, 21:14
Sep 5, 2009, 21:14
 
There is no such thing as a good CRT anymore, not with how far LCD monitors have come along.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 5, 2009, 15:11
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 5, 2009, 15:11
Sep 5, 2009, 15:11
 
I was forced to buy an LCD when I exhausted the supply of good CRT's in my area.

After I exhausted friends and family, I got so sick of buying $20 CRTs off of craigslist that never had the image quality described in the posting. Flickering, dark green instead of black, and broken screen settings that no matter how long you fiddled with the OSD you couldn't fix, caused me to finally break down and buy an LCD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001273
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 4, 2009, 11:15
Verno
 
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 4, 2009, 11:15
Sep 4, 2009, 11:15
 Verno
 
You'd be surprised how many Pentium D users exist out there still
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 3, 2009, 16:46
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 3, 2009, 16:46
Sep 3, 2009, 16:46
 
It's interesting that the median Intel CPU speeds are still higher than AMD CPUs. Is that a reflection of clock speeds of CPUs being sold now, or still a lingering artifact of the number of Pentium 4-based CPUs out and about in the world?
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 3, 2009, 12:37
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 3, 2009, 12:37
Sep 3, 2009, 12:37
 
As I said, there are regularly some around on ebay. And as you can see, there is one right now.

No, it doesnt help heating the room. I wish, because its fucking cold in this room in winter.
I have given up on waiting for BIS to come back to their senses and do a real ArmA 2 successor.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 3, 2009, 12:34
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 3, 2009, 12:34
Sep 3, 2009, 12:34
 
LCD? CRT? Pffft! *Real* gamers use 120 Hz high-def projectors on 100+ inch screens and 7.1 surround sound systems w/ quad subwoofers.

Anything else is just a kid's toy.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 3, 2009, 11:37
Verno
 
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 3, 2009, 11:37
Sep 3, 2009, 11:37
 Verno
 
Germans probably couldn't buy one in in Germany either Nice monitor though, could double as a space heater!

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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 3, 2009, 11:23
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 3, 2009, 11:23
Sep 3, 2009, 11:23
 
Germans build strong tables, Verno.
Germans also wouldnt buy a 90 pound Monitor in the US.
I have given up on waiting for BIS to come back to their senses and do a real ArmA 2 successor.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 3, 2009, 08:43
Verno
 
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 3, 2009, 08:43
Sep 3, 2009, 08:43
 Verno
 
Sony GDM FW900 - Product Weight: 92.6 pounds, Product Discontinued

Hahaha holy shit. My 52" TV weighs less than that. Good luck getting another one, looking at Ebay there are 4, 2 new for $999.00 and 2 broken ones.

This comment was edited on Sep 3, 2009, 08:45.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 2, 2009, 20:07
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 2, 2009, 20:07
Sep 2, 2009, 20:07
 
Consumer OLED is still a ways off but it's pretty much the best possible tech we're likely to see in display technology for the next 10 years. Low energy usage, great color reproduction and good viewing angles. I can't wait but it's going to be a long time until we see it.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 2, 2009, 18:03
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 2, 2009, 18:03
Sep 2, 2009, 18:03
 
Yeah, I dread the day my CRT dies. I'm hoping that a new type of monitor is released by then that has all the strengths of CRT in addition to the size and convenience of LCDs.
Nah not me. Right now I am using the best CRT that has ever been made (Sony GDM FW900). I bought it used on ebay for 150 euro (original price was ~$2000 in 2001) and there are still some being sold regularly. So when it dies, I will just buy another one. But since I spent so much time with CRTs in my PC time, I know how long good ones last, so Im not really worried. My 9 year old NEC one still runs perfectly in my fathers firm for 12 hours a day.

However, I too hope for the OLED or laser technology. Prolly the true replacement for CRTs in all aspects.

The power consumption of CRTs is far higher, of course (mines at 120W I think), but I really dont care about that bit more I have to pay per year. I rather have a flawless experience in games than a few bucks more in my pocket.

EDIT:
Btw, reviews of the new 120 Hz TFTs report far less motion blur (but not completely gone) compared to 60 Hz ones.

This comment was edited on Sep 2, 2009, 18:21.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 2, 2009, 17:23
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 2, 2009, 17:23
Sep 2, 2009, 17:23
 
I'm pretty sure CRTs are power eaters too, at least compared to LCDs. Newer LCD's are ridiculously energy efficient which translates to savings for those of us who don't live in mom's basement.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 2, 2009, 16:25
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 2, 2009, 16:25
Sep 2, 2009, 16:25
 
You guys can nitpick all you want. Fact is the gap is closing all the time between CRT and LCD.

I used to hate LCD's due to the poor refresh and display artifacts and I swore by my 19" CRT for years.

Due to desk space issues, at the beginning of this year I finally broke down and bought this monitor...

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=320-7345&cs=19&c=us&l=en

For games that have the option, I always have v-sync on, and again if the game has the option I lock it to 60 hz. I havent had a problem with any game I've run on it. I get no motion blur and no ghosting. The black levels are also amazing, and not very far off from a CRT quality. Desktop I run at 1920x1080, but most games I keep at 1360x768 (unless my machine can run 1920x1080 without problem, ie: older Valve games).

I'll never go back to the bulky and hot CRT monitors. The quality is there for good LCD's. If you just buy any old LCD you will run into issues, especially if you do not setup your color levels and refresh properly for the products you use.

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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 2, 2009, 15:59
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 2, 2009, 15:59
Sep 2, 2009, 15:59
 
Getting back on topic, this actually really surprised me - Multi-Monitor Desktop Resolution: 2960 x 1050 - 14.40%. I had no idea there were so many people using 2 monitors.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 2, 2009, 14:16
Verno
 
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 2, 2009, 14:16
Sep 2, 2009, 14:16
 Verno
 
As I said before Verno, I'm well aware of the technology differences.

I doubt it because you failed to mention them at any point in this thread in your haste to argue about something you didn't understand.

You could argue all day about the details of each format and bring up things like input lag, the inconsistent reporting of response times, etc. but for the average end user there is very little point.

Oh I see. Now we're talking about the average end user. The end user who doesn't care or even understand 3/4 of this thread, who can't tell the difference between two monitors side by side and who clearly makes purchases based on tech lingo never mentioned in a retail store. The average end user who owns an LCD and probably hasn't seen a CRT in five or more years. That end user? You sure that's where you want to go with this? I'm pretty sure that end user doesn't have a fucking clue nor care about vsync or refresh rates.

The maturity level of your posts has obviously deteriorated, and it's obvious your only interest at this point is your ego.

Chill out Homer, I'm sorry you were a spaz but no one made you post that.

You can 'impress' people all day long with your detailed technology
knowledge,

Yeah who needs that stupid knowledge? What a silly little bitch complaint. "HAH LOSER You know too much, I'M OUT PEACE!"

Now we gonna hug it out or you want to continue arguing about something that neither of us seems to give a shit about for three pages?

This comment was edited on Sep 2, 2009, 14:47.
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey
Sep 2, 2009, 13:49
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Re: Steam Hardware Survey Sep 2, 2009, 13:49
Sep 2, 2009, 13:49
 
As I said before Verno, I'm well aware of the technology differences. You could argue all day about the details of each format and bring up things like input lag, the inconsistent reporting of response times, etc. but for the average end user there is very little point.

60hz is 60hz. Whether on a CRT or LCD, the physical limitation is that you get 60 updates of the information on screen every second. No more, no less. This has an impact on gaming, and if you try and deny it, you're the one that's dumb.

And you're right -- looking back on prior posts, no one actually said that refresh rate doesn't matter (yeah, if you want to be anal about the actual words used, go right ahead). Let me rephrase: refresh rate does apply -- especially to a gamer. Sure it's handled differently depending on the technology used and can even have different effects from one tech to the next, but at the end of the day a significant enough portion of the gamers out there are going to take the highest they can get. The smart gamers will, at least.

The maturity level of your posts has obviously deteriorated, and it's obvious your only interest at this point is your ego. You can 'impress' people all day long with your detailed technology knowledge, but if you can't stop long enough to understand how the complexities of it ultimately apply to the real world end user you'll remain stuck in your little anti-social box. I'm done here.

This comment was edited on Sep 2, 2009, 13:50.
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Re: Game Reviews
Sep 2, 2009, 13:36
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Re: Game Reviews Sep 2, 2009, 13:36
Sep 2, 2009, 13:36
 
The idea behind refresh rate for display correlates more with the refresh rate for input devices. If they mismatch you get visual tearing or strange floating feelings from an input device such as a mouse (hence the desire to turn off vsync for games that require a lot of twitch). I suppose an LCDs actual refresh display is fairly fixed, however the way it virtually syncs to a game's input is very important -- hence 30 fps vs. 60 fps and the magical 120hz USB reaction time.

The ghosting from 'response time' is an entirely different issue.

This comment was edited on Sep 2, 2009, 13:37.
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