Not too long ago there was a headline that the entire Xbox 360 division was down over 60%. That's not stable growth. They are still down. PS3 has been in the black with all things considered for a year.

That headline was Xbox 360 console sales down 60% from previous quarter, year over year it's still ahead and the Xbox posted a positive growth percentile despite economy while both Nintendo and Sony tanked. The Xbox is still making money, lots of it which is evident in Microsoft's publicly furnished financial statements. And since you brought it up, here's Sony's results. The highlights - loss of $418 million for the entire Playstation division despite being propped up by the PS2's continued success and 1.1 million PS3 systems sold versus 1.3 PS3 million systems sold during the same period last year. In your world, does being in the black mean losing money? In the real world, that's being in the red.

This is exactly what I am talking about when I say fact or fiction. You just lied to try save face for a company because you had no idea Sony was a publicly held corporation that posts its financial statements. All of that data you lied about took three seconds to verify on Google.

Raw sales figures with out context is only something the most naive investor might care about. It's that context and how it matters is what I have been harping on post after post... Raw data can be made to say just about anything. Raw data can be corrupted. Hell a company with money to burn can actually buy it's own inventory and resell it if they thought that it would improve the chances of securing a commanding position in a market, while writing it off as a loss...

In other words, you have zero data to support your assertion and are trying to language dance around being embarassed.

Thank you for agreeing with me, the problem is that the tiny DVD disk is crammed full with little ability to optimize unless you ship with more than 1 disk, or cut lots of content out (or your game was tiny already).

I can think of less than 10 multidisc games on the Xbox 360 period, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make but it faltered as usual.

Not when they are compressed because of disk space issues DVD capacity limitations force on a developer... What ring that is on the disc also matters more on DVD than Blu-ray.. Read speeds are not smooth and constant as you portray, they fluctuate wildly with DVD. Some optimizations can be made, but the best ones require space that many games don't allow for while trying to cram on 1 DVD.

Funny how devs are not crying about this but instead crying about how hard it is to work with the PS3. If it's such a problem, how come we never hear about it?

While I do agree it would have been awesome to have a 4x BD drive, even by the most basic graphs out there, the 2X drive is in the range of a 12x dvd. By having a very consistent read, faster seek time, and less need for optimization in order to remain at that constant read speed, are some of the things that make it perform as good if not better than a 12x DVD...

Yet again you fail to provide any links to actual graphs or anything at all to support your argument. Here I'll do it for you - Blu-Ray drive speeds graphed versus DVD. Oh look at that, the DVD absolute minimum drive speed is only 5mbps less than the 2x BD drive's MAX speed. Oh and look, the 12x DVD can double the speed of the BD drive at max or stay 1.5x as fast even operating at 50-75% speed.

I won't agree or disagree with you here, but again Blu-ray seek times are faster from the things I have read. Feel free to disagree.

Based on what you've imagined more like it. I don't disagree with you, all of the data does.

Side by side, loading between the same zones while playing both the Xbox and PS3. The whole family agreed the PS3 loaded zones faster than the Xbox. It didn't even need a stopwatch test, the difference was so dramatic. I can't believe we are even discussing this...

So you are saying yes, you know more than the guys who made Oblivion who claim that's not the case. Publish this test. Where is it? Where can I find this mystical creation?

Do you even remember what you are arguing about? I will refresh your memory. I made a claim that in my opinion Xbox will be less patient and force people to digital only much sooner than PS3 in order to compete. I said I felt Xbox drm was draconian, while on PSN you can use the software on 5 different consoles. I said I think Sony is less likely to give up Blu-ray as a format after spending so much in order to make it the standard. God of War 1, and God of War 2 are being released with touch up on Blu-ray (physical media). The meaning of what I said is it's shitty they won't allow people who already own the physical PS2 copies to play the game on all PS3s and are making them repurchase more physical media to play it. It has nothing to do with Xbox or PS3 going digital only... Not sure if you are really that lost here, or just making stuff up now just annoy me...

In other words, if Microsoft does it, they are the devil. If Sony does it, it's ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

I don't credit them for killing PC gaming, I think Microsoft deserves that crown. Limited installs and broken games is the kind of DRM I am talking about

Wow you are damaged or something. Sony made SecuRom which does limit installs and made many games unplayable with activations and draconian DRM methods. Microsoft didn't make that, that was SONY.

They let you use all game software on 5 different consoles..., and you can deactivate and reactivate entire consoles

Oh geez how generous of them! Restricting what I paid for only 5 times, they should get a medal!

It's in your own posting history, find it yourself...

In other words it doesn't exist because you had the argument with someone else. You still haven't even named which bus speed you're referring to.

Last time this happened you were betting I would not be able to come up with 35 PS3 exclusive titles, I found 55+...

Again that was an argument with you had with Verno and Beamer, not me. I remember it well though and it was indeed hilarious seeing your terrible list of titles. You even posted PSP and PSN games as "exclusive" then refused to consider Microsoft XBLA titles as exclusives. In general your posting history is like watching George from Seinfeld.