That doesn't mean those people are all running out and buying new Xbox360's is his point

Of course not, some used a refurb program if still within it's limited coverage, and then when that burned out bought a new one. There's a portion of people that bought their Xbox and rarely play it, there's a portion of people who bought 1 or more Xboxs and have abandoned it (like my family and others I know) and there's a portion of people who are die hard Xbox players and have resigned themselves to chewing through hardware as it goes out. When Xbox sales go "dark" it's more than likely gone forever this generation in my opinion (also many are adopting PS3 as their only system and abandoning the Xbox due to hardware issues if you can believe the multitudes of posts declaring just that). When a PS3 went dark, it was because of lack of games at one point, that's no longer the case now. Just about every new PS3 does have a chance of selling a piece of 3rd party software. PS3 is emerging, Xbox is slowing imploding in my opinion. That doesn't mean that is a permanent state, that just means right now, that seems to be the case. Pretending the sales Figures that are out there mean anything other than there's been a lot sold, without a caveat that many Xbox systems have burned out, or are no longer used is dishonest at best.

virtual numbers do not keep people owning a product if they have to pay $1000 to replace it 5 times like

But this is exactly what some die hard fans have had to do in order to use their software collection. Do you live under a rock or something? I have had to buy an Xbox several times myself. I stopped... When I did I was even refused ability to transfer my software purchases to the new system. They have remedied that recently but it didn't change what I and others had to go through to stay Xbox users. I won't defend a multi billion dollar company that crushes people trying to be their fan with bad hardware and unfair business practices. You can support them if you wish. While some policies with MS have changed, I am convinced their philosophy and abusive apathy for the end user and others remains. You want to spend more money for less, that's your choice.

We're talking about a few seconds here at most so it's not a big deal but it's yet another false claim from you with no factual backup.

You are utterly wrong. For example I own Oblivion for both Xbox and PS3, It looks better on PS3, it loads waaay, waaaay faster as well. It is a big deal when a game uses every single zone border as a load point.

No they aren't. Every single multiplatform game loading comparison I just googled has the 360 ahead.

What you are seeing most likely if you are looking at the stuff I think you are is flat theory tables with no factoring in of average speed, data location, how many layers involved, where data is on a disk (as this affects DVDs in a big way not BD) ability to have extra space in order to optimize reads (hard to do on most fully loaded small DVDs like a majority of Xbox are, especially if they are dual layered which slows down a DVD drive even more) and of course the superior seek time of Blu-ray. In real world transfer speeds, you will see the Blu-ray has a much better average transfer speed on a 2x versus a 12x trying to read a dual layer DVD with slower seek time, and crowded with data that most likely was unable to be optimized at the time it's created because the whole DVD was needed to produce the game, or they can go to extra DVDs which is rare for single disk non RPG games. Blu-ray runs at a constant load rate, DVD fluctuate wildly, and rarely live up to any theory when presented at black and white face value on a real game.

You keep making these wild claims with no numbers, no URLs, no sources, nothing.

I almost always back stuff up and you know it. In this case, the only way to do these things is to take each game on a case by case basis and run PS3 to Xbox and compare the loads which I haven't found. I have done a few myself, like Oblivion above, and it was clearly a dominating performance by the PS3. In order to explain why this occurs, you have to look at all the factors like I mentioned above. It would take extremely detailed tests with intersection at the hardware level with readouts and be game to game much like you see varying results on FPS comparisons to make a worthy "proof" which doesn't exist in what browsing I have done.

I'm a PC guy and I tend to do my research before making purchase decisions.

I am the same way. I blew off PC gaming when DRM became the norm, I have tried the alternatives. PS3 has offered a great performance over the last 3 years, the games are here now with truckloads incoming, the multiplay is free, and things like the look and performance of Killzone 2 clearly tells me that there is much more to come. I made a decision to drop PC games in general (may get a few) and now I am making a decision to not buy anything Xbox, at all... What you do is your business, and I am not here to convince you either way. If I want to post something and an organized group of people want to flame and jump my case for my opinion, I will respond. This thread started when I simply posted the gamestop web site the other day with a clever ad about Batman and was jumped on by 4 of you for no reason. You made shit up and made personal attacks. If you want to label people as zealots, look in the mirror...

People are going to buy systems that have the games they want to play.

I posted a list of 55+ PS3 exclusives. That has grown tremendously. Even Verno's favorite game Prototype had articles pointing out Superior features on the PS3. Today I posted a link that shows God of War 1 and 2 coming to PS3 as well. That's PS2 games that work on any PS3, on physical media. I think it's kind of shitty that Sony will resell these games instead of making them BC for all (have have the original PS3 so it doesn't affect me directly) but maybe they will change their approach with time. In a way for these 2, I am glad they reoutched them and that they will be on Blu-ray. I would buy SMT: Noctune this way as well if they ever did it, SSX collection too...

I realize this was directed at Verno but I'm going to respond as it deserves immediate condemnation.

What you mean to say is that you all conspired to attack yme from the get go, and you are continuing to do so while doing a poor job hiding that fact... Don't talk about other people being disingenuous when you have displayed acts of hypocrisy and deceit.

I seem to be able to find out more using Google than you know about your system after owning it for three years.

Maybe the reason you are incorrect about most of what you say is that you use Google and the internet as your litmus test where I tend to actually use the hardware (years in this case) and even the competition hardware, and form my own educated opinions. It's ok, that's typical for people whom like playing the forum game and really don't care about what the topic is... You couldn't even get the bus speed information of the PS3 when compared to a PC correct (or you did and bailed), it's not hard to believe that is just going to continue.

Name five. You always hear it, so surely you can name five examples.

I will name 5 examples if you will submit to changing your signature to whatever I want it to read for 60 days. Otherwise jump through those hoops yourself...

This comment was edited on Aug 31, 2009, 15:26.