I can't help but see endless confirmation of ridiculously large return rates.

That doesn't mean those people are all running out and buying new Xbox360's is his point. If you have any concrete data then link it, otherwise stop acting like it's a fact when it's simply your opinion. You keep claiming hyper-inflated sales but the evidence shows that most systems are still under warranty since Microsoft provided extensions. Their own warranty costs are a matter of public record as well, are you going to deny those? The worst part is that you didn't even think this through fully. Let's say for a moment your argument was true, people were replacing systems failing on them multiple times and paying retail costs every single time. Think about that, they keep going back to the 360 every single time. What does that say about the PS3? Trust me, you don't want to win that argument as it says nothing good about your system. And don't post some crap about gamerscore because virtual numbers do not keep people owning a product if they have to pay $1000 to replace it 5 times like you claim.

I wouldn't go down this road. Xbox load speeds are way longer, and they have added entire installs just to compete

No they aren't. Every single multiplatform game loading comparison I just googled has the 360 ahead. We're talking about a few seconds here at most so it's not a big deal but it's yet another false claim from you with no factual backup. The PS3 only includes a 2x BD drive for christs sake and the max measureable read rates it hits are below the 360's dvd drive(the BenQ drive anyways, cant find data on the others). A 2x Blu-Ray drive reads at a maximum of 75mbps. The BenQ dvd-rom can read at 98mbps(again I do not have data for the others but they're all rated at the same speed should they should be at about the same level). Developers further optimize this by moving large data to the outer portions of the disc since small reads don't really matter once the initial loads are done. Don't take my word for it, here's a quote from Todd Howard of Bethesda Softworks from EGM online: "Drive speed matters more to me [than capacity], and Blu-ray is slower." In fact the only upside to Blu-Ray as a game medium is capacity and a relatively constant read speed but you don't even mention the latter, probably because you didn't even know.

You keep making these wild claims with no numbers, no URLs, no sources, nothing. And hard drive installs as a user option is a good thing, consumers like having choice. Some PS3 games offer that option too, Valkyria Chronicles just to name one off the top of my head. I guess Sony and Sega just added that to compete with Microsoft, right? What about those required installs that many PS3 games do? Those get a pass just because?

PS3 is the better buy for every possible reason I can think of. Is that condensed enough?

It seems more like you're just saying something, anything no matter how ridiculous to get them to buy a PS3. I might buy a PS3, I'm thinking about it but your kind of zealotry is making me think twice. I'm a PC guy and I tend to do my research before making purchase decisions. Every time I see you post about the PS3, you include something bizarre that doesn't sound right. I go hit google and sure enough, it's not. Why does that keep happening? If people are that desperate to post lies on forums about the system, what kind of state can it be in right now? Why do you feel the need to lie and post such obvious nonsense? Instead of always comparing the PS3 to the 360 or the Wii then making up a bunch of crap, you could simply play up the good aspects of the PS3. You never do though, you always go straight to negative and end up looking ridiculous, it's like watching a Republican convention. Verno or Beamer is right(I forget who said it earlier), you always post as if there's a big need for your system to be better than everything else. No one cares whats better. People are going to buy systems that have the games they want to play. You're making the wrong kinds of arguments and that's why you never have positive results on this site. Why do you think over 10 different posters on the site have labeled you a fanboy in the past month? I'm sure that number increases the further back we go too. You need to seriously stop reading right here, sit back for a moment and think about what kind of "help" you're giving Sony. You're probably doing the PS3 more harm than good with this kind of stuff.

While we are on the subjects of things you misunderstand, my sig is about how a 3 year old XBOX 360 game I own, and own DLC for, is suddenly getting multiplayer removed. What's worse is a company other than microsoft can suddenly decide to negate my ability to play multiplayer on a game I own (and have paid for DLC on) even if I pay for Xbox Live gold. That's not ok to me, and it draws their entire control, and ability to run an online service in favor of gamers in to question. If it can happen on this game, it can happen on any other game a non MS company decides to pull the plug on. If you want to support that kind of service, even champion it, and call me stupid, then go for it, I lost just about any respect I had for you ages ago. Another difference between this issue, and what you said about Warhawk is, that you will still be able to play Warhawk multiplayer... I can't say the same thing for Chrome Hounds.

I realize this was directed at Verno but I'm going to respond as it deserves immediate condemnation. The same exact thing can happen on the PSN if a company decides to withdraw server support for their game. Sony does not run all online servers, just for first party titles. Some devs pay Sony a fee to host for them but again it's not all of them by far. For someone who owns a PS3, you don't seem to know much about it. I seem to be able to find out more using Google than you know about your system after owning it for three years. More evidence that you literally post whatever pops up into your head without research or even understanding.

I always hear how on Xbox Live there are things being removed (not so on PS3)

Name five. You always hear it, so surely you can name five examples.

This comment was edited on Aug 30, 2009, 01:38.