Out of the Blue

A couple of follow-ups on yesterday's discussion of NYC destinations. On the topic of getting good pizza elsewhere, I'm sure it happens all the time, but as for authenticity, I've grown fond of the theory that the reason local cuisine like New York bagels and pizza don't taste quite the same elsewhere is due to the water. Also, someone mentioned Nathan's for hot dogs, but I think they are a national chain.

Also, I didn't realize Chumley's was under re-construction, sorry. Hope it's just as cool when it reopens.

And I didn't include any Italian or Asian food recommendations, because all my good insider places from when I lived in Chinatown are out of date, and I like Italian food enough that I don't discriminate. There's a lot of fun to be had eating in Chinatown and Little Italy (well, it was little when I was a kid, now it's miniscule}, which can be touristy, but qualifies as the touristy stuff natives do.

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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 3, 2009, 11:47
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Moving from the NYC suburbs to the South has been rough.

Yes, there is pizza down here. Yes, some of it is tolerable. Some of it is actually pretty decent. None of it is great. The fancier pizza, the flatbread with unusual toppings found at small french places, is a safer bet than the hole-in-the-wall pizza. Those places advertise "NY Pizza" and often go as far as to name themselves things like "I Heart Manhattan Pizza" but they're almost always crap. I've found one tolerable place like that and one good one. The rest are inedible. Such a change from having a good pizza place on every corner.

Don't even get me started on Italian food. I'm actually not 100% certain I can tell you where an Italian restaurant is, let alone a good one. Thai and Indian are harder to find than up north but a much safer bet than Italian - you can find pretty good ones.

On the plus side, though, you can still find great restaurants. Having so many farms nearby means plenty of incredible vegetables, fresh breads, and outstanding pork. Before coming down here I feared it'd be like parts of CT where your only dining options are chains that microwave their meals (ugh, Applebee's...) Turns out there are a good amount of small restaurants and many are outstanding. Again, the quantity is below the NYC area, it's simply less populated, but so long as you aren't looking for tomato sauce based dishes you can end up extremely happy.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 3, 2009, 12:51
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Moving from the NYC suburbs to the South has been rough.

Have you had squirrel yet?
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 3, 2009, 14:13
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I’ve never had edible NY style pizza more than a few hours from NYC. I’ve had good pizza with odd toppings in Europe and Canada, but everywhere else in America the pizza was either a sad imitation or just bizarre. The pizza in California was particularly bad.

While the pizza is unique, the bagels in Montreal are as good as those in NYC.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 3, 2009, 14:37
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re; Katz's and other similar Jewish delis....there's nothing more inedible than a pound of meat jammed between two slices of bread, no matter how good the quality. It looks impressive as hell but its just too goddamn much..... Puke
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 3, 2009, 14:55
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re; Katz's and other similar Jewish delis....there's nothing more inedible than a pound of meat jammed between two slices of bread, no matter how good the quality. It looks impressive as hell but its just too goddamn much..... Puke
The quality of the meat is excellent, but I agree it's too much.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 3, 2009, 15:10
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Re: Out of the Blue Aug 3, 2009, 15:10
Aug 3, 2009, 15:10
 
Eh.
I grew up on those delis. You can always take the meat out. I feel ripped off when I get anything less.

I remember the first time I went to a Subway. They gave me three slices of slimey turkey on my sandwich. 3. I was used to getting about 3 inches of meat... uh, pretend I didn't say that...

For the same price.

I have no idea how Subway has taken off. Slimey turkey, rubbery chicken, green/purple beef, and so little value for the money.
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Aug 3, 2009, 15:29
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Aug 3, 2009, 15:29
 
Yeah, I order a corned-beef on rye and it better be bursting with meet and slathered in mustard (regular or Keen's hot), a nice big kosher dill pickle and maybe a knish or a blintz to go with it and some oil and vinegar 'slaw.

I said Nathans because it started out in Coney Island in 1916, and I remember the first time I had a steamer in NYC it was Nathans...good times. I would have loved to go to Coney Island back in the day.

As for newer stuff like Italian, etc. that why I recommened Chowhoud.com. Site like that are the best for finding "local" places as well as getting lots of real reviews from real people.
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Aug 3, 2009, 16:25
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That clip pretty much summarizes every movie he has ever made.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 3, 2009, 16:27
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re; Katz's and other similar Jewish delis....there's nothing more inedible than a pound of meat jammed between two slices of bread, no matter how good the quality. It looks impressive as hell but its just too goddamn much.....

That may indeed be your experience, but I'm going to have to disagree about that being inedible as well. The amount of pastrami in a Carnegie deli sandwich is indeed enough for two meals, but eating one half at a time as thick as they are served is fine, and the way it is meant to be enjoyed. You just save the other half for another meal if you can't eat it all (you could split it with someone too, if for some reason you aren't going to want leftovers).

Now you can argue with the logic of serving two meal's worth of meat in one sandwich, but as I say, proper pastrami is perfectly edible served that way.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 3, 2009, 16:37
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Deli rule: always bring a friend!
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Aug 3, 2009, 17:32
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Re: Out of the Blue Aug 3, 2009, 17:32
Aug 3, 2009, 17:32
 
that why I recommened Chowhoud.com.

Thanks....didn't know of that one. I used http://www.urbanspoon.com/ and their iphone app and found a lot of great local restaurants while on vacation.
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Aug 3, 2009, 18:17
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Deli Rule #2: Never put pickle spears in the sandwich
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Aug 3, 2009, 18:39
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That was hilarious! lol
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Aug 3, 2009, 19:58
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Aug 3, 2009, 19:58
 
Deli rule #3. Take the toothpick out of the sandwich before eating.

My father-in-law has a toothpick in an acrylic cube. A surgeon had to remove it because he didn't follow that rule.
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Aug 3, 2009, 22:48
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Shocked
He must be one of those picky eaters you hear about ..............boom bada ching
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Aug 4, 2009, 09:15
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Deli rule #3. Take the toothpick out of the sandwich before eating.

My father-in-law has a toothpick in an acrylic cube. A surgeon had to remove it because he didn't follow that rule.

I adopted Deli Rule 3 - Addendum 2: if possible peak inside the sandwich too to make sure nothing is hinky.

It was either back in school, or some cr@ppy deli, but rule #3 didn't work for me once as the deli had accidentally left a 2nd toothpick inside the sandwich (practically on its side).

Fortunately no damage done as I caught it in time, but it was definitely a wake-up call. I now tend to take a quick look inside any sandwich not made by myself.

My best guess was someone behind the counter lifted up the loaf (perhaps knocked it off the plate by accident) and the when putting everything back though it lacked a toothpick and put another in. Meanwhile the first was really just inside.

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Reading more of the thread, it looks like this might be more related to Rule 2 than 3, though 2 seems to be on the Deli's side and not the eater.

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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 4, 2009, 17:10
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Deli Rule 3 - Addendum 2

+2

LOL

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